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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2020, 07:08:16 am »
That's a big shame. Ironically I almost mentioned just the other day that one good thing about the lockdown would be the removal of the weekly slow-motion motorbike procession of doom through Castleton - and how the villagers may appreciate a little peace and quiet from the endless revving. They even used to ruin our day way up at Longcliffe with their infernal and somewhat pointless racket chugging up and down Winnats Pass for some reason or other. But no. The fat old leather boys must triumph. Cough. Equally, teenage lads have been all over the place today in Sheffield in defiant 'tight' groups, even in the woods - passing spliffs about of course. Cough. The best way to catch everything going round - even the clap. If anyone's still got that ;)

I had a long chat with a friend in France last night who said that most of the guys on the streets in her town are getting tense and nasty as they can't visit prostitutes any more, and are just mooching about making cat-calls and not really social distancing either. It's quite a 'normal' activity where she lives apparently - or it was. So she's staying in a lot, and wearing very baggy clothes when she goes out shopping to avoid any grief. Exercising is even worse as they've followed her, so she's not doing it much, or taking a shopping bag with her when she does. What a life.

But it seems to me that outside the hospital and care home environment, most people should now have little chance of catching the virus accidentally, as long as they observe social distancing. I would happily say 'tough shit' to the rest who catch it now - curl up and die - except they'll infect blameless people who are trying their best to avoid it - and no doubt more hospital staff who still try to save their lives, even though it was their own stupid fault they caught it.

As for the Peak District, I'm sure there must be places you could go if you could walk it - or catch the bus if you were allowed. Windy Knoll and Odin Cave spring to mind! I don't think the National Trust have closed their land to walkers. Though you could walk into Windy Knoll and find a bunch of students sharing a spliff. Jugholes? Isn't that a public footpath to the entrance? But it's a long way to go for an hour underground. I guess poking around in abandoned quarries might also just be acceptable, depending on the landowner.

Do we have towns where the men mooch around looking for prostitutes and follow women? Sounds like Marseilles, it was always like that. Whatever.
The Devils Bridge biker gang was there on Sat, but they are a more refined class of biker gang as befits the location. Open road types with performance bikes and middle-aged suicide in their eyes. The burger van is closed, but a highly opportunistic ice-cream van was doing well. There will be blood at some point.

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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2020, 07:27:05 am »
I am guessing Stoney dale is probably good to go in regards to getting back to caving? Climbers there before they eased restrictions as well as after.
Also lots of small sites for caving that are often the beaten track and no really worries about....

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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2020, 08:21:48 am »
Yes, plenty of small, close to surface digs, that need investigation...

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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2020, 08:22:21 am »
Serious question.  Is there anywhere in the Peak that you can go caving?
DCA is only reporting on the sites that we have been contacted by the landowner about, and for all of those at the moment it is to say they are closed. We have not been specifically informed of any sites that are open for caving, but that does not mean that they are all closed. We are not currently cold-contacting landowners to ask if they are open for cavers. DCA have been asked by some cave/mine owners to put signage up to prevent cavers coming onto their land. The ice-cream vans may be welcoming visitors back, but the landowners are not yet at that stage.

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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2020, 08:25:17 am »
... somewhat pointless racket chugging up and down Winnats Pass for some reason or other. But no. The fat old leather boys must triumph. Cough.

Just remember that some of these "fat old leather boys" love caving as well!!

But thanks for this and the reference to bergers etc - brings back memories of other times, as well as JCC!!

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Hot dogs direct from cruft's
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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2020, 11:39:41 am »
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Do we have towns where the men mooch around looking for prostitutes and follow women? Sounds like Marseilles, it was always like that. Whatever.

It's a small but famous tourist town in the Loire Valley. Apparently it's like this everywhere. She also told me she has a cave under her apartment block, that she used to play in as a kid. I'm going over as soon as I'm allowed.

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Just remember that some of these "fat old leather boys" love caving as well!!

I'm sure some of them do. I don't have a problem with motorcycles at all, or regular use of them. But processions of over 100 motorbikes travelling at 5mph up Arthur's Way in both directions doesn't primarily display a love of motorcycling to me. If they were silent, or even quiet I wouldn't mind as much as I do, but they're not - they're as loud as they can possibly be. And the volume of participants guarantees they can't travel at a normal speed. And everyone else can just wait. I have a similar problem here with local tykes blasting up and down my street in hot-rod turbo-injected Fiestas backfiring every five seconds, all day, every day. It's all about the noise. And the sense of entitlement.

My real concern here is the village - if we are all doing our bit to keep the place safe, and all the shops are shut to keep the place safe, then how can a burger van just rock up in the car park and start serving everyone? The only shops open are Peveril Stores and the Post Office. And folks start buying burgers from an unknown provenance? Shouldn't the Parish Council be assembling a group of angry men with pitchforks? And if not, why not?

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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2020, 11:41:09 am »
Serious question.  Is there anywhere in the Peak that you can go caving?

As Pete has said, some owners have asked cavers to stay away for the moment and there are quite a lot of sites where it is normal to call and ask for permission.  Derbyshire doesn't have loads of caves on open moorland and, unlike the Dales, many of its caves are on private land (definitely not on CRoW access land) where owners are normally happy to see cavers and very willing to give permission.  They just don't want strangers knocking on their doors for any reason at the moment.  Local cavers will all know sites which will be accessible without bothering anyone or having to pass through a small village or directly past a farm. 

Derbyshire has very few sites which require an actual key, as opposed to a "Derbyshire Key" (a large adjustable spanner), but these will currently be inaccessible anyway because there is no way cavers can collect a key.  As Pete has indicated, local cavers want to stay on good terms with the local landowers so I'm sure Derbyshire cavers will comply with their wishes if they approach DCA and ask not to be bothered for the moment.  Being reasonable now will no doubt reap its rewards when the lock-down ends.

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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2020, 12:44:05 pm »
& advertising sites which are open will just encourage more people to go there, which will likely result in the landowners requesting them to be added to the closed list.

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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2020, 12:52:03 pm »
Burger vans generally have to be licenced to operate in an area:
https://www.ncass.org.uk/mobile-catering-home/content/get-legal/law-pages/street-trading-license

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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2020, 02:05:35 pm »
My real concern here is the village - if we are all doing our bit to keep the place safe, and all the shops are shut to keep the place safe, then how can a burger van just rock up in the car park and start serving everyone? The only shops open are Peveril Stores and the Post Office. And folks start buying burgers from an unknown provenance? Shouldn't the Parish Council be assembling a group of angry men with pitchforks? And if not, why not?

Burger vans generally have to be licenced to operate in an area:
https://www.ncass.org.uk/mobile-catering-home/content/get-legal/law-pages/street-trading-license

Knowing Castleton reasonably well (I used to live there), I doubt very much that a burger van would get away with just 'rocking up' in the Peak Hotel car park without the necessary permissions from the pub, the villagers living opposite and the local authority.

Whats to say it wasn't the Peveril Store's mobile van helping their social distancing endeavours by not having loads of people in the shop?   

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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2020, 02:57:42 pm »
I was only going on what you'd posted as I can't get there legally. You sounded concerned, which made me concerned. I assumed that places like Peveril Stores wouldn't want to be serving 100s of bikers if they're trying to keep the village onside?

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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2020, 03:39:14 pm »
I was only going on what you'd posted as I can't get there legally. You sounded concerned, which made me concerned. I assumed that places like Peveril Stores wouldn't want to be serving 100s of bikers if they're trying to keep the village onside?

I wasn't concerned in the slightest. I was just reporting what I'd seen while I was out on a motorbike ride in the Peaks.

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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2020, 07:45:19 pm »
Well I'm sure if they leave the burger van there, then someone will have something to say/do about it. Given the coin meters are all broken, I'm sure if the van's were seen as a nuisance then they would be dealt with for the greater good.

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« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2020, 08:50:38 pm »

I'm sure some of them do. I don't have a problem with motorcycles at all, or regular use of them. But processions of over 100 motorbikes travelling at 5mph up Arthur's Way in both directions doesn't primarily display a love of motorcycling to me. If they were silent, or even quiet I wouldn't mind as much as I do, but they're not - they're as loud as they can possibly be.

Mine is electric and virtually silent, having suffered numerous near misses from vehicles pulling out in front of me, pedestrians stepping into the road etc. etc. I can see the case for them making at least some noticable noise. Unfortunately people equate silence with there being nothing there.....

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« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2020, 10:43:29 pm »
Indeed - I appreciate some noise is inevitable from a combustion engine and I don't have a problem with that. But exhaust systems have mufflers to reduce excessive noise, and these seem to absent from the bike 'processions' that go through Castleton. I don't ride, so I can't debate the finer details of bike engines, but seriously, there are times when we've been unable to talk properly inside the Chapel for over ten minutes whilst the mile-long procession crawls around the S-bend in the village at 5mph. It really is ridiculous.

A friend of mine rides a massive Triumph and a while ago offered me a ride on the back of it - to Castleton and back. I had to politely decline, citing a bad back or something ;)

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« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2020, 11:04:40 pm »
I recall watching a documentary about bikers in the 50s and 60s where an old rocker said that one of the first things they'd do when getting a new bike would be to get a broom handle and smash the baffles in the silencer so it no longer reduced noise...
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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2020, 09:08:09 am »
I must admit I do find them annoying, you can still hear them 2 miles away from the road in otherwise peaceful countryside, or completely deafen you if within 300m of one. Can't wait for the electric revolution, but I suspect many would still ride the combustion engine ones as it sounds cool?

They really are a pet peeve of mine, when out in the country. Thank-god you can't hear them down a cave.

Those and those boy-racer cars that make just as much noise, that sometimes fly past the house at 100mph (in a 30) waking me up.

Oh dear... when did that happen, I have become a moaning old man!
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2020, 09:32:40 am »
You can hear them from the summit of Ingleborough on a still day Alex.

Most modern motorcycles are sold with very quiet exhausts. However, there's a strong aftermarket for race style exhausts which aren't as well baffled (because this reduces power) so these are a lot noisier. There are laws covering exhaust sound emissions and motorcyclists are sometimes prosecuted but I guess it's not that easy to police and they have other priorities.

Pwhole mentioned being offered a lift on the back of a bigger bike. This happened to me once and unfortunately I loved it. Not long after I took my test and have owned several bikes since, so it's cost me a fortune over the years. Really enjoyed it though. The last of my bikes went when we had a wet summer and I needed to chop it in to afford to buy a Land Rover.

I never went down the race exhaust route because you're supposed to tell your insurer about any modifications. Telling them about fitting something illegal seemed a pretty dumb thing to do. Not telling them is likely to lead to a nasty surprise if a claim is needed.


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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2020, 11:25:41 am »
They really are a pet peeve of mine, when out in the country. Thank-god you can't hear them down a cave.

When I worked as a guide down Speedwell Cavern in the early 1980s I remember being in the Bottomless Pit Chamber with a party when we all heard a deafening noise coming down the canal. When we got out there was a large party of Hells Angels parked up in the car park. I did frighten a few tourists off. When they eventually left, after spending a fair bit of money in the shop, they set off 4 abreast up the Winnats. It was quite a sight and sound. All they left behind was about 40 patches of oil on the tarmac. They were all British bikes. Apparently they had been on a charity bike ride and raised a few thousand pounds for a Stockport children's hospice.

Anyway, I'm off to the Peaks now on the bike.

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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2020, 11:30:57 am »
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Anyway, I'm off to the Peaks now on the bike.

I bet my bike is far quieter, there is a limit to the loudness I can make the brum brum noises when on it. Though, I may try going up to a drive through Gregs that are open on my push-bike, going "brum brum giggergigger" and see if they serve me?

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« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2020, 12:09:17 pm »
We could easily hear the bikes going up Winnats Pass from the bottom of Longcliffe shaft, which is 40m. I distinctly remember banging my head against the wall that they'd still managed to reach me. Mind you, I can get a phone signal 10m below surface there, and have actually sent and received texts from the first rebelay, so I'm convinced that it's just a large natural megaphone. Of course that's a proper mobile phone, not one of these new-fangled pocket-computer gizmos.

Anyway - I had a chat with a couple of people in the village yesterday who were reassuring and appreciative about our policy of closure at the TSG Chapel, and I think staying as integrated as possible with village policy decisions is the only way to move forward - for us anyway, given our location. But we will contribute opinions as much as receive them, as there is a natural limit to all of these socio-political dilemmas and then progress has to be made in some way.

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« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2020, 06:38:15 pm »
Anyway, I'm off to the Peaks now on the bike.

Hope you revved it really loud if you detoured through Sheffield.  8)

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« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2020, 07:46:29 pm »
I'll make sure to take my baffles out next time I have a go slow over Winnats pass. I'll drop it a gear as well. It's hard to beat a V4 on an open can.  ;)
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« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2020, 08:51:36 pm »
I'm fine with that - just don't bring 99 mates and go nose to arse at 5mph, thinking all the girls are swooning as they overtake you whilst walking ;D

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« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2020, 04:23:25 pm »
I'm fine with that - just don't bring 99 mates and go nose to arse at 5mph, thinking all the girls are swooning as they overtake you whilst walking ;D

It's a very particular type of girl that swoons over men in leathers... and you don't generally find them on a wander up Winnats Pass  ;)

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