so you have to buy more stuff from the shampoo isle.
In order for this pandemic to have originated outside of a Wuhan biological laboratory, the following would have had to take place: • An unknown animal comes into contact with a bat carrying the virus that would become SARS-CoV-2. This bat, for some reason, is not hibernating during the winter unlike most other bats. • This animal is then hunted and killed by some unknown person who does not fall ill and does not spread SARS-CoV-2 to anyone else. • This animal is then sent from its original location to the Huanan Seafood Market. Along the way, it is handled by dozens to hundreds of transportation employees, all of whom do not get sick and do not spread the virus. • The animal finally reaches the market, at which point multiple people who encounter it are hospitalized, and the virus begins to spread at very high rates.Perhaps this virus had been spreading undetected amongst animal populations for the past few months prior to the outbreak. But if this is the case, why would the spillover event to a human occur in Huanan Seafood Market? China has many hundreds of these markets in every province. We are looking at 1-in-several-thousand-odds that a natural outbreak would begin in this market versus all the others.Consider the odds we are looking at of a natural outbreak occuring in a market less than 10 miles away from two labs which have previously housed bats and conducted research on bat coronaviruses, rather than any other market in China.Four months into the outbreak, China, with its vast electronic surveillance network and army of CCTV cameras, still has not been able to provide any evidence that this virus originated anywhere other than the market in Wuhan.We argue that it would be incredibly unlikely for a virus to materialize out of thin air in this particular market.
“What you find in the lungs of people who have stayed with the disease for more than a month before dying is something completely different from normal pneumonia, influenza or the Sars virus,” he said. “You see massive thrombosis. There is a complete disruption of the lung architecture – in some lights you can’t even distinguish that it used to be a lung.“There are large numbers of very big fused cells which are virus positive with as many as 10, 15 nuclei,” he said. “I am convinced this explains the unique pathology of Covid-19. This is not a disease caused by a virus which kills cells, which had profound implications for therapy.”
We argue that it would be incredibly unlikely for a virus to materialize out of thin air in this particular market.
And conversely, when you look at somewhere like New Zealand's figures, and you look at their leader, that also kind of speaks for itself. I know who I'd rather hang out with.
I rather suspect that there are significant demographic and geographic factors in play here, and in places like Ireland and NZ, the very low population density plays a big part.
pwhole's post was referring to the additional problems caused by the poor response from leaders who are bent more on following their own ideologies rather than dealing sensibly with the crisis. It's a pandemic, a world-wide problem - co-operation and learning from other countries is essential.
It might even save the NHS money by reducing the numbers of elderly and long-term sick!
The basic point is that provided you can get healthcare, then the total number of deaths will not be affected by the 'shape' of the curve. 100% of the population will get Covid-19 at some point, and those that are vulnerable will die.
The fact is they can't actually afford the NHS, as the range of drugs & treatments increases every year, so no matter how much money they throw at it, it'll never be enough. It could certainly be better funded than it is now though.
Then the amount you have to put into it each year needs to increase at least in line with that.
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