Grid ref for Hollandtwine shaft
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Not sure whether this is new or old:
https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=12132.msg318408#msg318408
Last time you discussed it also has a grid ref from tamesider:
https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=3269.0
& same as my first link:
https://registry.thedca.org.uk/sitedetails.php?id=24
https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=12132.msg318408#msg318408
Last time you discussed it also has a grid ref from tamesider:
https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=3269.0
& same as my first link:
https://registry.thedca.org.uk/sitedetails.php?id=24
AR
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Attached are the 1898 25" OS overlaid onto modern satellite imagery and a 1958 air photo of Hazard and Hollandtwine blown up.
Also, the sketches of the surface remains that appeared in the Red Book were originally put into this article in the PDMHS bulletin - https://pdmhs.co.uk/MiningHistory/Bulletin%201-7%20-%20The%20Surface%20Remains%20on%20Dirtlow%20Rake.pdf
Also, the sketches of the surface remains that appeared in the Red Book were originally put into this article in the PDMHS bulletin - https://pdmhs.co.uk/MiningHistory/Bulletin%201-7%20-%20The%20Surface%20Remains%20on%20Dirtlow%20Rake.pdf
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pwhole
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I think the shaft location itself is not that far from the track - there's an information panel up there now. The big opencast, as I remember, was a huge and somewhat unusual fluorite pipe deposit, but I think higher than the Hollandtwine workings. It's all discussed (named as the 'Dirtlow Open-pit') in Trevor Ford's superb geological article a few years ago in Mining History - as there are so many caves and mines discussed each entry is somewhat limited, but he does mention all of Dirtlow Rake Head area - he quotes SK 140 812 for Hollandtwine but that looks too far south to me:
https://pdmhs.co.uk/MiningHistory/Bulletin%2017-5%20-%20The%20Geological%20Setting%20of%20the%20Lead%20Mines%20in%20the%20Northern%20Part%20of%20the%20White%20Peak.pdf
Also JRat's old logbooks do feature all the trip reports from Hollandtwine, but I haven't yet seen a grid ref for the shaft! Are we planning another dig then?
https://pdmhs.co.uk/MiningHistory/Bulletin%2017-5%20-%20The%20Geological%20Setting%20of%20the%20Lead%20Mines%20in%20the%20Northern%20Part%20of%20the%20White%20Peak.pdf
Also JRat's old logbooks do feature all the trip reports from Hollandtwine, but I haven't yet seen a grid ref for the shaft! Are we planning another dig then?
nickwilliams
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PB Smith took me to see the Hollandtwine shaft in about 1990. I remember a large, well ginged shaft with a piece of Ambideck over the top, next to a wall and a couple of minutes walk from the track where we parked.
But I could well be completely wrong....
But I could well be completely wrong....
Your correct in your description nick.
Hollandtwine was one of my favourite mines.
The present day track was diverted due to spar getting, this is when the pit went deep.
The tributors planned to go east to bennet part but were stopped by the planning authorities and the main users of the minerals closing, the pit was mothballed because of lack of demand, portaway pit ceased to mine spar at the same time.
Pwhole - watch this space.
Hollandtwine was one of my favourite mines.
The present day track was diverted due to spar getting, this is when the pit went deep.
The tributors planned to go east to bennet part but were stopped by the planning authorities and the main users of the minerals closing, the pit was mothballed because of lack of demand, portaway pit ceased to mine spar at the same time.
Pwhole - watch this space.
Stoney Boy
Member
nickwilliams said:
What year did it disappear? It was not there by 92 as Moose and I tried to find it. Went down Hazard instead.
Pitlamp
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Several years ago Moose and a few mates tried very hard to locate this shaft. I think the ultimate conclusion was that it was so well "landscaped" as to be virtually impossible to relocate accurately enough to justify the major operation which would be needed to re-enter it.
But . . . some time in the late 1970s I remember walking past it and you could see half of the ginging exposed by recent digging activity. It was obvious that the site would soon be lost, so I had the presence of mind to take a (black & white) photograph, which I made available to Moose when he was looking into this one more recently.
I can't remember whether the photo came back or whether it stayed with Moose. His filing system is probably a lot better than mine, so it's perhaps worth contacting him about it. He may have a scanned (i.e. electronic) copy.
I'm hoping that Moose sees your topic because I suspect he can probably tell you a lot more than I can.
This may or may not help . . . .
There is also something else that may be of use to know about; I'll PM you separately.
But . . . some time in the late 1970s I remember walking past it and you could see half of the ginging exposed by recent digging activity. It was obvious that the site would soon be lost, so I had the presence of mind to take a (black & white) photograph, which I made available to Moose when he was looking into this one more recently.
I can't remember whether the photo came back or whether it stayed with Moose. His filing system is probably a lot better than mine, so it's perhaps worth contacting him about it. He may have a scanned (i.e. electronic) copy.
I'm hoping that Moose sees your topic because I suspect he can probably tell you a lot more than I can.
This may or may not help . . . .
There is also something else that may be of use to know about; I'll PM you separately.
nickwilliams
Well-known member
Stoney Boy said:
Having consulted my records, I am pretty sure my visit to Dirtlow Rake was in preparation for an EUG practical event held at the Caver's Fair which was based at Pindale Farm on 10 July 1993. I have a copy of a letter dated 7 Jul 93 asking the then operators (probably Pat Smith, although the letter doesn't say it) for permission to use the big pit. My guess is that the visit with PB was a few days before that, so that would put it as late June or early July 1993.
I suppose it's possible that the shaft was buried in 1992 and then uncovered again by mid 1993.
Does anyone know if Paul Deakin's archives are accessible? I'd have thought there was a good chance of there being some pictures in his collection.
Moose
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I've got numerous maps, documents and GPS data on this which I'm happy to share. However, it's all theoretical banter and ultimately the prospect of regaining access to Hollandtwine from the shaft is virtually nil. In my opinion.
My advice would be to try and inspire the Ink sumpers to stop faffing about and get through that choke. ... which apparently one can see through!!
My advice would be to try and inspire the Ink sumpers to stop faffing about and get through that choke. ... which apparently one can see through!!
aquamole jim
Member
We have made some good progress at Ink sump were the Hollandtwine water has been dye tested to, hopefully we will pop up at the bottom of the 70 foot natural shaft that J-Rat and crew found and were the water sinks. :-\
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