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The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« on: August 10, 2020, 09:05:10 am »
Someone drew my attention to a feature on the Pegasus website yesterday, showing a photograph of a very young P B Smith in the "Four Ways Club hut at the bottom of the Winnats Pass". I've never heard of this club before, or of a hostel near the bottom end of the Winnats.

Does anybody know anything about this? I'm guessing the photo would have been taken just post war.

The photo's on here: https://www.pegasuscavingclub.org/p-b-smith - PB, with his characteristic grin, is at far left.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2020, 09:30:24 am »
Thanks for putting the link up.   :thumbsup:  What great stories.  :clap2:  Thank you Bari (Mick) Logan for wrting it down.  I could loose a few hours on here.   :coffee:
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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2020, 09:45:35 am »
Aw gawd the tale of that sheep incident is hilarious!

Sorry to divert the topic Pitlamp.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2020, 02:51:12 pm »
And it has a photo of the Hollandtwine shaft top, ironically ;)

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2020, 08:56:51 pm »
The Pegasus website is first class; there's some excellent content on there.
(I submitted some stuff myself over the last 12 months.)

But . . . can anybody shed any light on the "Four Ways Club"?

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2020, 09:08:42 pm »
I wonder if the hostel was a rented shed at Speedwell, rather like the  goods wagon body at Rowter Farm that was the old SUSS hut ? Might be worth asking John Harrison.
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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2020, 09:15:29 pm »
Thanks AR - I very much doubt it has anything to do with the old SUSS hut at Rowter Farm as the place is described as being at the bottom of the Winnats and I think the SUSS cattle wagon hut dates from much later (late 60s / early 70s).

I did wonder if the hut was one of the buildings associated with Speedwell Cavern. Next time I happen to be speaking to John H I'll ask him. (However, that photo would probably have been taken before John was born.)

But - surely there are still folk about from P B Smith's generation who would remember this?

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2020, 09:17:49 pm »
AR - having just re-read your post I see you weren't suggesting the Four Ways Club hut was actually at Rowter Farm; you were just wondering if it may have been the same type of hut.
A good point, actually.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2020, 09:18:34 pm »
Club (caving, climbing, camping & trekking) is mentioned in John Travis profile:
http://www.emgs.org.uk/files/mercian_complete_issues/MG16_3_2006_complete.pdf

Grampian have some of their journals (seems Nottingham based):
http://www.gsg.org.uk/node/1427

It even gets a mention in a Belfry Bulletin (trip to Carlswark)

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2020, 09:31:56 pm »
Aha - nice one Mike. So maybe Nottingham based, probably formed very late 1950s or 1960(ish), caving was one of various activities regularly enjoyed by members and associated with DCA.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2020, 11:06:24 pm »
Won't it be the building opposite the cavern where the staff toilet is?

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2020, 11:12:06 pm »
Won't it be the building opposite the cavern where the staff toilet is?

I was always led to believe it was the barn about half way along the overland footpath between Speedwell and Castleton.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2020, 09:08:49 am »
Won't it be the building opposite the cavern where the staff toilet is?

I can remember that being a cafe. There's a photo in the shop of the Corrie cast visiting Speedwell in the early '60's and iirc the cafe is in the background.
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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2020, 06:15:13 pm »
Won't it be the building opposite the cavern where the staff toilet is?

I was always led to believe it was the barn about half way along the overland footpath between Speedwell and Castleton.

Mark

Good point Mark; I wonder . . . .  :-\

Are there any old artefacts kicking about which might suggest that was once used as a simple hostel? Perhaps if anyone goes past they could take notice.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2020, 06:36:40 pm »
I bet Bograt would know.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2020, 07:01:29 pm »
Another good point Mark - he uses this forum so hopefully he'll see this topic at some stage.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2020, 08:39:31 pm »
The road signs ended up at another hostel not far away.
The nearest to to the four ways hostel was the railway cattle wagon at rowter farm where Ben lived in the early 70s.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2020, 11:08:12 am »
Didn't get involved with the Castleton scene until the early '70's, before that I was Matlock based. Don't recall any Four Ways hostel, I think Teapot is referring to the SUSS hut, could it be the same place?
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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2020, 11:35:03 am »
These two are the only viable barns between Speedwell and the village - the third, near the old quarry, is a total ruin.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2020, 05:17:14 pm »
Didn't get involved with the Castleton scene until the early '70's, before that I was Matlock based. Don't recall any Four Ways hostel, I think Teapot is referring to the SUSS hut, could it be the same place?

For a photo of the SUSS hut/railway goods van at Rowter, see page 12 of The Derbyshire Caver no 145, Summer 2017 - https://thedca.org.uk/publications/newsletters .

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2020, 07:13:48 pm »
There are one or two different photos of the SUSS hut at Rowter Farm in an anniversary journal which SUSS produced several years ago. But the SUSS hut was at the top of the Winnats whereas we're told that the Four Ways Club was based at the bottom of the Winnats. So it must be a different hut and club.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2020, 10:39:31 pm »
The photo of the SUSS hut in the Derbyshire Caver brought back some pleasant memories. I used to stay there every weekend in the very early 80's before discovering the luxuries of the TSG hut with its significantly shorter walk back from the pub.

The photo of the Four Ways hut shows it to be stone built with a pitched roof and not a railway cattle truck.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2020, 09:34:13 am »
These two are the only viable barns between Speedwell and the village - the third, near the old quarry, is a total ruin.
Could it have become a total ruin because cavers were using it?  ;D
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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2020, 04:46:42 pm »
These two are the only viable barns between Speedwell and the village - the third, near the old quarry, is a total ruin.

From the Pegasus CC website, "An early photo of 'PB' Smith in the Four Ways Club hut at the bottom of Winnats Pass,, Castleton" Photographic Copyright:  (P.C.N.) refers to the Pegasus Club Nottingham collection.

After a bit of sharpening and contrast tweaking, it appears to be a stone-built building with corrugated iron roof:
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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2020, 07:48:23 pm »
These two are the only viable barns between Speedwell and the village - the third, near the old quarry, is a total ruin.
Could it have become a total ruin because cavers were using it?  ;D

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Paul - thanks for your efforts with that image; it's really good! It's clearly a single storey building (or a single story extension of a larger building). Does this help narrow down the options!

 

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