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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2020, 09:15:11 pm »
After some further searching, this is a crop from a zoomed shot that has the two small barns in it - the one on the left looks a likely candidate?

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2020, 10:07:14 pm »
Yes it does! And pretty close to Speedwell, so at the "bottom of the Winnats".
Reckon you may have cracked it there. I wonder if there's any artefacts still lying around outside which might suggest former use by a caving / outdoor club?

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2020, 11:26:29 pm »
I've been thinking about who might have told it was one of those barns. If it wasn't Bograt then it was probably PB.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2020, 11:54:55 pm »
Yes it does! And pretty close to Speedwell, so at the "bottom of the Winnats".
Reckon you may have cracked it there. I wonder if there's any artefacts still lying around outside which might suggest former use by a caving / outdoor club?

It's possible some of the artifacts we pulled out of the Longcliffe shaft infill might have come from there! Like a part of a brass bedframe and a leather belt. A jar of 'Shippam's' potted meat and some 'Armour' baked beans. Not forgetting the green plastic Thermos flask of course. And half a housebrick.

In fact, that's more than enough material for a late-60s caving-based sitcom  ;)

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2020, 07:48:47 am »
It would be great to get to the bottom of this one because the FWC seems to have slipped (almost) under the historical caving radar.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2020, 07:58:51 am »
It's a long shot, but would a photograph inside that barn, composed the same as the original, reveal any similarities in stonework etc that might confirm it?
You can make out some distinctive blocks in the photo, so if you could identify the same blocks in the barn, you would have a pretty good idea that was it.
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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2020, 08:16:50 am »
Anyone know if Eddy Mason is still around?, he was with TSG before me, he may remember...
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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2020, 08:27:39 am »
The original picture shows a window & a support for the roof beam.

The smaller building on the left has a window at the right level (the one in the gable of the barn is too high and the opposite gable is blank)) and a roof support can be seen.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2020, 10:32:02 am »
Anyone know if Eddy Mason is still around?, he was with TSG before me, he may remember...

He is still around, I was walking with him yesterday. He doesn't 'do' UKC but I'll try to remember to ask him about this when I see him this coming week.
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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2020, 09:18:14 am »
Thanks Nick.

Thanks also for the suggestions above re the detail of the building construction & photographing.
(I'm hoping pwhole might be interested in taking on this contract!)

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2020, 12:31:17 pm »
I had a feeling you might be. I had hoped to get out today to do some DCRO collection and then maybe run up the road, but I'm too busy working here sadly. Despite my recent forays into the mysteries of Castleton land-ownership/leasing, I can't honestly remember which farmer has this field. I know we got permission from him to do the Speedwell Vent scanning a few years ago, but it wasn't actually me who contacted him. I know I could just climb over the wall, but it would likely be the one day I really shouldn't have done it! I'll see if I can find out, unless anyone else already knows?

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2020, 01:30:17 pm »
Yes, always better to do these things properly (even if it causes a delay).

You may even find that the farmer can give useful information to help with this query anyway, once the conversation has started.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2020, 12:55:04 pm »
Just spotted this on Rightmove. See photo 2/7.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-72823764.html

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2020, 12:55:39 pm »
Here's the sale page on Bagshaws own site - https://www.bagshaws.com/properties/land-off-goosehill-s33-8wd

Unfortunately the sale plot doesn't extend as far as the barn we're interested in, otherwise I'd print off a copy of the sale particulars and "go view"...

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2020, 02:23:48 pm »
And it has a photo of the Hollandtwine shaft top, ironically ;)

I always thought Hollantwine was in the (now filled) quarry?
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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2020, 09:59:57 pm »
It was, but Pegasus were in there until 1977 - Tony Jarratt's logbook states the last trip was 02/10/77 when they de-rigged everything and brought it out - see below - and the link here:

https://www.aditnow.co.uk/SuperSize/Recovering-A-Wagon_109196/

After a bit of searching it seems there are no useful surveys, plans or elevations of Hollandtwine anywhere - apart from one small sketch of a dig in the logbooks. I've got one more lead to go on and that's it. Unless anyone else has anything?

Just realised also that this should be in the other thread ;)

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2020, 07:45:10 pm »
Has anyone thought of asking the Pegasus Club where the Four Ways hut was?

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2020, 10:51:10 pm »
I think you just did. I don't know if I know any members! Maybe I do but don't know it?

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2020, 10:42:24 am »
The photograph of the Four Ways Hut was passed on to me by a Pegasus member, the late Dave Lucas (The one armed octopus). He had been a member of the Four Ways before he joined the Pegasus in 1964. On travelling down Winnats Pass Dave pointed out to me where the hut had been. From my memory of 56 years ago it was as you passed Speedwell Mine on your right the hut was set well back into a field that adjoined Speedwell Mine.

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Re: The Four Ways Club, Castleton
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2020, 01:34:21 pm »
Then it almost certainly is the one on the left in the photo at the top of the page. Saves me a pirate trip ;)

 

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