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CSCC & MCR Joint Statement on Impact of Lockdown 2 in the South
« on: November 03, 2020, 01:55:24 pm »
Dear Southern Cavers,

As most all of you will be aware, the government announced on Saturday that new lockdown measures will be introduced from Thursday 5th November in an attempt to control the ongoing COVID 19 pandemic. The details of these measures can be found at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november#travel. One of the issues as regards caving is that you can only leave home for specific purposes, one of which being;

 "to exercise outdoors or visit an outdoor public place - with the people you live with, with your support bubble or, when on your own, with 1 person from another"

If caving is considered to provide a form of "outdoor exercise" it will be up to individual cavers to decide whether or not they can or should go caving whilst meeting both the letter and spirit of the new national restrictions.  Cavers should think carefully whether a caving trip meets the latest travel restrictions, noting in particular that as of 2nd November;

•   “You should avoid travelling in or out of your local area, and you should look to reduce the number of journeys you make.”
•   “you can and should still travel for a number of reasons, including … exercise, if you need to make a short journey to do so”.

Further points to consider are that some landowners may not feel comfortable in allowing cavers onto their land during lockdown. In these cases please be understanding and respect their wishes. The Council of Southern Caving Clubs (CSCC) will try to maintain a list of lockdown access arrangements, but given the fast-moving nature of the situation it is possible that cavers will come across restrictions not previously reported. In these cases please respect the landowners wishes and inform CSCC so that we can advise others.  It is quite possible that local residents will be wary of visitors, and as such cavers should be discreet and avoid caves close to private residencies. If cavers are seen, or suspected, of breaking the national restrictions this could have serious long-term impacts upon our relationships with the communities we rely on for amongst other things access to our caves.

A rescue during the lockdown would be a major issue for Mendip Cave Rescue (MCR). Whilst they will remain ready to come to the aid of anyone in need underground, the process will be complicated by lockdown restrictions which may slow response and wearing of PPE to minimise infection risk will hamper underground operations. As such please chose your trip carefully to ensure that it lies well within the abilities of all members of the party.

We cannot advise you whether your trip, if you intend to cave, falls within government guidelines or not, but if you do decide to cave please think carefully about the potential consequences of your trip and ensure that you are complying with the latest government advice. The situation is evolving quickly and CSCC will continue to do our best to keep you informed of how the situation is affecting caving in the south via the CSCC website at https://cscc.org.

 Ed Waters (CSCC Chairman) & Martin Grass (Hon Secretary MCR).
2nd November 2020

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Re: CSCC & MCR Joint Statement on Impact of Lockdown 2 in the South
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2020, 06:26:34 pm »
How the hell is anyone supposed to know what we're allowed to do when they change their minds every five minutes  :furious:

I suspect that a lot more people will ignore the rules this time around...
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Re: CSCC & MCR Joint Statement on Impact of Lockdown 2 in the South
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2020, 06:49:36 pm »
Sorry but think it is 1 person only for outdoor exercise.

From 5th November: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november?priority-taxon=774cee22-d896-44c1-a611-e3109cce8eae#staying-safe-outside-the-home-social-distancing

Outdoor exercise permitted with one person outside your household.
Believe that the earlier post was changes in rules from 1st June.


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Re: CSCC & MCR Joint Statement on Impact of Lockdown 2 in the South
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2020, 06:52:12 pm »
The government have updated their advice - now you can exercise with upto 5 people outside your household
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-phased-return-of-sport-and-recreation/guidance-for-the-public-on-the-phased-return-of-outdoor-sport-and-recreation
This link is to the current guidance, not to the guidance being introduced from Thursday which still shows as  it did yesterday ... outside with 1 person from outside your household.

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Re: CSCC & MCR Joint Statement on Impact of Lockdown 2 in the South
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2020, 06:55:58 pm »
Hmm it appears that I was wrong ...

Despite the linked web page only having been updated yesterday 2/11

Sorry Dave

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Re: CSCC & MCR Joint Statement on Impact of Lockdown 2 in the South
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2020, 10:40:30 pm »
It was updated yesterday, but only applies until tomorrow (no idea what was changed, but may only have been the header stating the switch...)

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Re: CSCC & MCR Joint Statement on Impact of Lockdown 2 in the South
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2020, 08:00:39 am »
And they wonder why we’re confused!

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Re: CSCC & MCR Joint Statement on Impact of Lockdown 2 in the South
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2020, 08:21:33 am »
Indeed. MPs are voting on the guidance today, so there could be changes yet, but labour have said they support the lockdown & would have done it sooner, so don't get your hopes up! (link in related cncc thread)

 

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