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Alex · « **on:** February 11, 2021, 10:24:45 am »

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Roads are definitely at about 60-70% busy as far as I can tell, which is why it's taking so long for the virus and lockdown to go away, this lockdown will go on for many months more? This like I said I am sick of it, I am being good working from home, not travelling etc, but everyone else appears to be out and about as normal. If they make lock-downs just about affordable i.e. allow you to work, but you are not allowed to do anything enjoyable, then that's fine by them, they don't care, and they will happily do it again and again. So all we become is mindless slaves working all day and not being able to live life (at least that's what it feels like sometimes). Otherwise we would have locked down hard and short and we would already be coming out of lockdown now.

I am sure thanks to Brexit, the gov will continue this removing the enjoyment from life, such as removing works rights, removing holiday entitlement now they can etc, so we end up like America with there 5 days of annual leave as it makes the big boys more money (debatable).

On the other hand lockdowns do still cost lot of money but maybe as far as the Tories think, well that's "the next government's problem!". I mean they obviously don't even care about jobs, only their own pockets, otherwise Brexit would not be a thing or we would have at least stayed in the EEA (there was no vote to leave that!). Remember the Tory moto: "F$%^ bussiness". More bleakness as whoever is in charge will have a right royal mess to sort out with the economy and the masses of debt from 3 ineffective lock-downs.

So on the one hand they seem to want to protect the economy by allowing people to work at the expense of actually fighting the virus, but then they appear to be perfectly happy to screw other parts of the economy i.e. no support for air travel, insufficent support for Hospitality, screwing anyone who exports to the EU, with the Brexit mess.

My conclusion? The government does not know it's arse from the hole it just blew in the ground, and they are merely completely incompetent, and I wonder why did so many people vote for these F-wits, I know Corbyn was bad, but surely he could not be as bad as this bunch of clowns. The one thing they got right (vaccine rollout) may turn out to be a complete mess as it's the wrong one and don't protect from the new strains, unlike some of the vaccines.

mikem · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2021, 10:36:35 am »

Cameron didn't actually expect the UK public to vote for Brexit, Boris used the opportunity to increase his own power base, but never foresaw a pandemic hitting at the same time. They obviously don't want to lockdown at all, but have been forced to by the numbers involved & public opinion. They do have a pretty good grasp on the consequences but no idea as to the solution.

& the vaccine was the first available, so of course it was the one that got rolled out.

al · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2021, 11:11:41 am »

Quote from: Alex on February 11, 2021, 10:24:45 am

I know Corbyn was bad

Is that based upon personal experience, or something perceived via Murdoch (& Co)'s filter?

ChrisJC · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2021, 11:12:13 am »

Quote from: Alex on February 11, 2021, 10:24:45 am

Roads are definitely at about 60-70% busy as far as I can tell, which is why it's taking so long for the virus and lockdown to go away, this lockdown will go on for many months more? This like I said I am sick of it, I am being good working from home, not travelling etc, but everyone else appears to be out and about as normal. If they make lock-downs just about affordable i.e. allow you to work, but you are not allowed to do anything enjoyable, then that's fine by them, they don't care, and they will happily do it again and again. So all we become is mindless slaves working all day and not being able to live life (at least that's what it feels like sometimes). Otherwise we would have locked down hard and short and we would already be coming out of lockdown now.

I am sure thanks to Brexit, the gov will continue this removing the enjoyment from life, such as removing works rights, removing holiday entitlement now they can etc, so we end up like America with there 5 days of annual leave as it makes the big boys more money (debatable).

On the other hand lockdowns do still cost lot of money but maybe as far as the Tories think, well that's "the next government's problem!". I mean they obviously don't even care about jobs, only their own pockets, otherwise Brexit would not be a thing or we would have at least stayed in the EEA (there was no vote to leave that!). Remember the Tory moto: "F$%^ bussiness". More bleakness as whoever is in charge will have a right royal mess to sort out with the economy and the masses of debt from 3 ineffective lock-downs.

So on the one hand they seem to want to protect the economy by allowing people to work at the expense of actually fighting the virus, but then they appear to be perfectly happy to screw other parts of the economy i.e. no support for air travel, insufficent support for Hospitality, screwing anyone who exports to the EU, with the Brexit mess.

My conclusion? The government does not know it's arse from the hole it just blew in the ground, and they are merely completely incompetent, and I wonder why did so many people vote for these F-wits, I know Corbyn was bad, but surely he could not be as bad as this bunch of clowns. The one thing they got right (vaccine rollout) may turn out to be a complete mess as it's the wrong one and don't protect from the new strains, unlike some of the vaccines.

You must live in a different reality to me!

Chris.

Alex · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2021, 11:27:39 am »

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Quote from: Alex on Today at 10:24:45 am
I know Corbyn was bad

Is that based upon personal experience, or something perceived via Murdoch (& Co)'s filter?

Based on his flip flopping and unrealistic/unbelievable promises, however I agree I might have been influenced myself. Still, I still voted for him as I knew what the alternative was. (as it was tactical to do so where I live)!

Alex · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2021, 11:31:18 am »

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You must live in a different reality to me!

Chris.

With regards to what? Brexit? you just need to look at all the businesses having to pay extra costs to export to Europe, companies that export shellfish having to shut after 70 years. Not to mention the big issues with Ireland and the border down the Irish sea causing the troubles to start again, the fact that we may loose our financial sector to Europe? The fact that we will loose Scotland and Ireland... need I go on?

Off topic though, but you need to be more specific?

RobinGriffiths · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2021, 01:42:20 pm »

Speaking about Brexit, I had a good laugh at Kate Hoey's recent comments. Seems we've got the wrong sort of Brexit.

Fishes · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2021, 01:47:03 pm »

Quote from: ChrisJC on February 11, 2021, 11:12:13 am

You must live in a different reality to me!

Chris.

It seems pretty close to my reality.

Down and beyond · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2021, 04:08:49 pm »

Brexit is long finished I thought larger majority voted for it I say let’s make the most of it , i purchased 500 beautiful welsh slates yesterday for my roof leak at home , I ent paying £1.93 each for Spanish crap these where £0.70p each keep it British I say

I don’t want coal from Russia or America I would rather give Roy a call

NewStuff · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2021, 04:11:15 pm »

Quote from: Down and beyond on February 11, 2021, 04:08:49 pm

Brexit is long finished

That won't be "finished" for a loooong time yet. Irrespective of what people thought of it, or voted for, the fallout from the implementation of it will be felt for a very long time to come.

Down and beyond · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2021, 04:27:22 pm »

Quote from: NewStuff on February 11, 2021, 04:11:15 pm

Quote from: Down and beyond on February 11, 2021, 04:08:49 pm
Brexit is long finished
That won't be "finished" for a loooong time yet. Irrespective of what people thought of it, or voted for, the fallout from the implementation of it will be felt for a very long time to come.

Possibly not for everyone but I have to admit for my family it is , nothing else we can do via carry on ! All the food drinks still in shop has not made any negative impact on me but I don’t deal over seas am sure it affects many people and still will for a while yet we shall come out better though that’s one thing

Oceanrower · « **Reply #11 on:** February 11, 2021, 05:28:36 pm »

Quote from: Down and beyond on February 11, 2021, 04:27:22 pm

yet we shall come out better though that’s one thing

Well, I suppose it's an opinion...

NewStuff · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2021, 05:52:29 pm »

Quote from: Down and beyond on February 11, 2021, 04:27:22 pm

Possibly not for everyone but I have to admit for my family it is , nothing else we can do via carry on ! All the food drinks still in shop has not made any negative impact on me but I don’t deal over seas am sure it affects many people and still will for a while yet we shall come out better though that’s one thing

It was never going to stop overnight. It'll happen in dribs and drabs, as things become uneconomical to import. I doubt you'll better for it, unless you're incredibly well off.

Fulk · « **Reply #13 on:** February 11, 2021, 08:08:08 pm »

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All the food drinks still in shop has not made any negative impact on me.

YET

Down and beyond · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2021, 07:05:24 am »

“Yet” a very fair comment but we are in February steaming towards March , for the average man like me all I see is full shelves now the lorries are not waiting at the docks because of paper work ? these countries will want to trade with us they need are money we need their larger a great combination

andrewmc · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2021, 08:10:25 am »

Quote from: Down and beyond on February 12, 2021, 07:05:24 am

“Yet” a very fair comment but we are in February steaming towards March , for the average man like me all I see is full shelves now the lorries are not waiting at the docks because of paper work ? these countries will want to trade with us they need are money we need their larger a great combination

Presumably you don't live in Northern Ireland...

Alex · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2021, 08:49:04 am »

Also the Lorries may not be waiting at the docks, but instead in a big car park in Kent, not at the docks, some taking several days to leave, at least that was things a few weeks ago.

It's only getting started... the reason food etc is not affected too badly at the moment is that we are not applying most customs rules at our end, that comes in, in June/July, then you might start to see empty shelves and prices going up a lot more.

Oh don't forget Brussels are likely to kick our banking system out in March now we are a 3rd country (The decision was held off as it was not included in the original so-called deal)

So from what I can see the future is very bleak indeed, especially with all the problems we currently have just being the beginning... just wait until/if lock down is over and trade gets back to normal, then you will see the ques when they run out of parking space in Kent, both for truck drivers and then holiday coming into the mix makers, if we are actually allowed to travel/EU would let us in that is (which they may not if they don't trust our vaccine). Remember how long it takes when one car is checked in 20, now imagine how long it takes when its now 1 in 4 or 1 in 3 confiscating everyone's ham sandwich caving food etc. Good luck getting things like caps and that through now too, it's going to make expeditions more difficult that's for sure.

One of the reason we are doing so badly in this pandemic is there about 20k nurse vacancies in the NHS as most of these were EU citizens who decided to return to Europe rather than stay in a country that seems to hate them, so Brexit argument is relevant.

Very bleak indeed. The sooner I can emigrate the better, but oh wait I can't now because Brexit took that right too!

I for one will never get behind the Brexit, it's a disaster and sooner everyone realises that the better, so lets accept our mistake rejoin the EEA and get allow freedom of movement, we don't have to join the EU fully but we should be trading similar to Norway a sovereign nation, I should add (like all EU countries too).

Down and beyond · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2021, 09:42:58 am »

All very good points but you have to think of the long turn of countries that are very successful, their is good proof we was spending 250 million a week for being in the eu also strong proof on 19 billion a year you really think saving all of this won’t help towards these things when we are back on are feet . Borris started at the worst time possible and I think he has dealt with it all the best as possible . Everyone can find faults no matter what happened/ happens that’s life , at least he got it finished no one else could of done that their all useless !

pwhole · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2021, 09:51:36 am »

The guy's not even capable of running a corner shop. He's only there because of glutinous patronage and a political system that allows genetic and intellectual failures to rise to the top, mainly as their dad is rich. In any normal society he'd be sat on a street corner holding out a cup. Even his own 'partner', who he has a child with, stands more than 2m away in public. I can't see the appeal either. He's completely and totally responsible for all of this.

mikem · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2021, 10:09:11 am »

He's not responsible, that's the problem...

Down and beyond · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2021, 10:16:18 am »

Quote from: pwhole on February 12, 2021, 09:51:36 am

I can't see the appeal

The appeal I think you all need to remember during this “rubbish past few years “ a lot younger people have started voting that’s because I am 28 since I was 16 and left school only 1 of my school mates has managed to get a house himself without having his parents die and inheriting a lot of money , a lot of my mates went to uni passed and then when they eventually went looking for jobs with paying back the stupid loans etc they was better of waiting a few years on a lower payed job because it’s all knackered, a very large majority of people young rent because they have no option now , a good friend of mine who a plumber self employed he has to rent and save up at least 30k in cash in the bank before the banks will accept him ! All I want is a hope of a better country out of every local person I no personally we all voted leave because it cannot get much worse here ! You earn say £2000 a month after your rent bills food etc you have £200 your wife can’t get a decent job due to school runs so what the heck go for a stab in the dark and take it from their I would still vote leave today

mikem · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2021, 10:19:25 am »

Unfortunately it was always going to get worse before it had any chance of getting better (even without covid)

crickleymal · « **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2021, 10:32:23 am »

Even Jacob Rees Smug said it could take up to 50 years before we'd see any benefit from brexshit.

Down and beyond · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2021, 10:35:06 am »

Some local farmers send their lamb to New Zealand and then we go co op and buy theirs it’s bonkers !

We use to have leather factories iron mines made shoes everything locally here now it’s all gone and we buy all the stuff in from eu and other places , all it is sadly doing is loosing local jobs here

RobinGriffiths · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2021, 10:39:47 am »

Quote from: Alex on February 12, 2021, 08:49:04 am

Very bleak indeed. The sooner I can emigrate the better, but oh wait I can't now because Brexit took that right too!

Yes, that one is a bit of a p*sser. I was planning on retiring to France or Ireland in 5 or 10 years. Highly unlikely now given the Visa financial backing requirements unless I happen to win the Pools.