Looks like The North Face are now supporting active damage to caves and Speleothems. The further issue is I've already seen a comment around saying "Let's try this in the Dales"...... https://www.facebook.com/.../a.95211196.../1639754326210248/https://www.instagram.com/p/CON68gAB1cy/
North Face has sponsored the desecration of a fine array of formations, with the use of chalk,
Quote from: David Rose on May 02, 2021, 07:03:53 pmNorth Face has sponsored the desecration of a fine array of formations, with the use of chalk, Although I disapprove of any sort of sponsorship for this type of activity, are chalk and calcite not made of exactly the same stuff,I can also think of several places in the Peak District, where cavers have taken considerably less care, ascending calcite ramps and walls to access new passages
I don't see any difference between it and those lads that filmed themselves spray painting in Giants
The full article (with their justifications & others' comments):http://onceuponaclimb.co.uk/portfolio-posts/underground-climbing/https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1639754449543569&id=169053393280356&anchor_composer=falseWe'll see if the film appears on Wednesday...
Cavers, collectively over the years have been totally responsible for the desecration of flowstone formations in their quest to explore further, which may well be excusable in the first instance of virgin exploration, but these formations often then just become part of a trade route and suffer accordingly.
Looks like they placed a few bolts and gingerly climbed out. No worse than any cavers actions underground.
Except that it was climbed simply for the thrill of climbing it, to reach a point that was already accessible by another better route (eg, walking to it from outside). The damage caused here was completely avoidable and may well inspire others to do similar avoidable damage elsewhere.
Quote from: PeteHall on May 04, 2021, 10:17:31 amExcept that it was climbed simply for the thrill of climbing it, to reach a point that was already accessible by another better route (eg, walking to it from outside). The damage caused here was completely avoidable and may well inspire others to do similar avoidable damage elsewhere.Yeah - totally agree. Pure publicity stunt as per usual with those two. But I'm just not sure the derision voiced on here is quite warranted. As far as I could see, they didn't really damage anything.
... ... No such thing as bad publicity etc..
I'd like to see them try climb Diccan, in winter full flow LoL, that being said the commercialisation of caving, is going to cause a massive spike in CRO callouts, from inexperienced people in caves, ill Equipped thinking they are Indiana Jones, If that happens will we have to look at a cap, key, and permit system, on caves grade 3 and higher, with life-changing verticality, with a vertical cavers proficiency card, and will we have to have even more protections for SSSI's the list of problems this could create are phenomenal, but I guess only time will tell, I would Urge the BCA & BCRA to release a statement on their stance of climbing in caves, using chalk ect... and trad gear like cam's and nuts, instead of designated bolts, With a Re-release of the dangers of using dynamic rope in caves, and the sharp edges of eroded limestone,
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