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Can someone actually explain why this permit system is in place? What does it set out to achieve? Is the idea to reduce the amount of cavers in each cave?
There are plenty of excellent goods available at good prices, that require a cheque to be posted to the seller
Wookey Hole might be cheaper! At least you don't have to buy any gear!Hughie said:?5, ?10, ?20? Just to visit a cave?
Putting my landowner/farmer hat on:- I'll dig the fecking cave for you - just bring yer mates!!
Some people have too much money and not enough common sense. Life is full of hoops - you'll still be jumping through them long after you've packed in caving.
Hughie said:?5, ?10, ?20? Just to visit a cave?
Putting my landowner/farmer hat on:- I'll dig the fecking cave for you - just bring yer mates!!
Some people have too much money and not enough common sense. Life is full of hoops - you'll still be jumping through them long after you've packed in caving.
jasonbirder said:Just to clarify...I didn't mean ?20 each...I meant for a party so if its split between 3 or 4 of you its no bad is it
Someone might have a better answer, but as a rough idea: Not entirely sure of the reasons fells were closed by landowners in the first place (1960s ish) but AFAIK there were bad relations between cavers and landowners. The CNCC was formed to represent northern clubs rather than random clubs/people trying to arrange access (which obviously failed, hence the closures) I also believe the landowners preffered the idea of talking to a regional body rather than individual clubs etc. Permits were introduced probably on the landowners wishes - I doubt, given the bad relations, they would wish hordes of cavers trampling over their land every weekend so sought to control the numbers slightly. And to this day I believe CNCC have tried to negotiate extra permits on a certain fell but the landowner declined..Can someone actually explain why this permit system is in place? What does it set out to achieve? Is the idea to reduce the amount of cavers in each cave?
madjbs said:An online system would be very easy to set up, a basic system could be set up in a day or two. Make it easy and quick for people to comply with the rules and most cavers will happily obey them. If however, the rules are a complete pain in the but (3 months planning, club only, mail etc..) then a large proportion of people will tell you to get stuffed. Its the same for everything, not just caving.
jasonbirder said:Just to clarify...I didn't mean ?20 each...I meant for a party so if its split between 3 or 4 of you its no bad is it
madjbs said:Well this is even better, if the landowner doesn?t live nearby or visit the land himself and relies on local farmers to police his caves then he isn?t going to see these under the table cavers. All the more reason why a passing farmer WOULD be willing to accept a crisp 20 in return for not informing the landowner.