Daily Mail

[dunc]

i'm not wholly certain it is something to be proud of. Here is one woman's story of how the Daily Mail tells lies about the people it comes across.

Is that blog the truth - just because it's written on the net? (Just a question, I have neither the time nor inclination to read it and make a decision to discover if it is or not.)

I'm no DM reader (I have indulged now and then and realised it is, as people say, anger/hatred and the like), however I will follow the links to view cave related articles on their and any other newspaper website as I see fit. I've not seen the particular pictures in question on FB so saw them via the DM site, maybe not everyone is blessed with the circle of friends Rhys has so have no choice to view elsewhere. And is FB really any better, a site where gobshites get to peddle their bile by shares/likes and false adverts are constantly pumped at you?

As for bullshit, that is propagated in many papers, one only has to look at the Express and it's laughable weather forecasting skills (ok, not the same as distorting truth about an individual but you get the idea) so they are all at it in one form or another.

Don't buy any trash, don't view any websites, just go caving instead, simple really. 

 

[ChrisJC]

i'm not wholly certain it is something to be proud of. Here is one woman's story of how the Daily Mail tells lies about the people it comes across.

I quote from the article

more independent viewpoint of The Guardian

Independent of what?, not beards that's for sure.

Chris.

 

[Alex]

Rhys - You have shot yourself in the foot really, because of your post more people are going to go to the Daily mail website to see what all the fuss is about, or if they are petty do it to spite you.

So although I agree the mail is utter rubbish, though the pictures still look nice. You have had the opposite effect.

 

[graham]

i'm not wholly certain it is something to be proud of. Here is one woman's story of how the Daily Mail tells lies about the people it comes across.

I quote from the article

more independent viewpoint of The Guardian

Independent of what?, not beards that's for sure.

Chris.

So you pick one line to make a silly and irrelevant point to try to move the heat away from the nasty lying shit printed by the Mail.

Yup, typical Mail reader 

Did you actually read beyond the first paragraph?

 

[Rhys]

Rhys - You have shot yourself in the foot really, because of your post more people are going to go to the Daily mail website to see what all the fuss is about, or if they are petty do it to spite you.

So although I agree the mail is utter rubbish, though the pictures still look nice. You have had the opposite effect.

I did consider that effect before posting. It's known as the Barbara Streisand effect. However, I felt it was worth the risk. I felt I had to say something. Hopefully people will at least think about it and a few right-minded individuals might take my example and it will have been worth it.

 

[Laurie]

The Mail's only there for a laugh.
No-one takes it seriously.

 

[Peter Burgess]

I said it before and will repeat it. I am grateful for having this discussed. I expect there are others who have not contributed, for fear of enmeshment in silly arguments, who are also happy to have had the matter pointed out to them. For me it's a personal thing. If others are not bothered, or even encouraged to visit the mail online, then so be it - that's their business. For me it's a matter of principle, and keeping some moral standards - others have other standards and morals and that's for them to account for, not me.

 

[graham]

The Mail's only there for a laugh.
No-one takes it seriously.

I rather suspect that those whose lives are seriously badly affected by it are obliged to take it seriously.

The Express, sure, nobody except Princess Diana conspiracy theorists takes that seriously, but the Mail's influence is all too obvious.

 

[barrabus]

Rhys, I am with you on this. I gave up looking at Daily Mail links a few months ago.

If anybody has any decent caving photos they should post them on here. If they can flog them to some 'newspaper' first then good luck to them. If they are only available on the Mail website and/or Farcebook then I will get by without viewing.

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Didn't Dacre go through a dodgy patch following the Milliband article, with his second in command being ready to be wheeled in to replace him by Rothermere? Wonder if they are now waiting for a decent interval to pass before giving Dacre his cards. DM is only a small part of the shadowy Rothermere's portfolio. I wonder how much of his world view gets imposed on the 'house style'?

 

[Tony_B]

Reading through this thread, I am disappointed to see that Rhys and one or two others have a view of the Daily Mail that is as dogmatic and one-eyed as that paper's view of Romanian immigrants or benefit claimants. To quote the Ralph Miliband article is an easy and obvious target, but let's not forget that the paper drew widespread condemnation, from across the political spectrum, for that.

At the risk of sounding like I'm defending the Mail, but with an eye on the fact that this thread was originally about the rights or wrongs of posting links to caving pics on the paper's website, I'm going to admit that a few months ago I picked up a copy of the MoS in my dentist's waiting room and flicked through from the back page - as a football fan that's what I do with any newspaper. A few pages in I came across a column by [former professional footballer] Gary Neville that was one of the most interesting, perceptive and well-written pieces of sports journalism that I have ever seen. It was on the subject of simulation ('diving') and in my view that article is something that anyone with even a casual interest in sport should read.

To bring us back on topic, and to reiterate a point I made earlier, if the Mail or any other newspaper want to use caving photos then I see this as a good thing. It's not fair to damn the entire content of the paper and its website any more than it's fair to condemn all benefit claimants as scroungers.

I should, at this point, make it clear that a while ago I did the 'Are you hated by the Daily Mail?' quiz that was doing the rounds on FB. I am pleased to report that they hate me.     

 

[Peter Burgess]

I am disappointed to see that Rhys and one or two others have a view ....

Why are you disappointed? In what way does their view affect you?

 

[Bottlebank]

I was a bit surprised at the reaction to the Ralph Milliband article. If you read his Wikipedia page the Mail unusually seemed to have the story more or less right. Not like them at all really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Miliband

You could argue that it was a nasty personal attack on Ed's late father, but given his father was a fairly high profile published Marxist and Ed's apparent lurch at the time towards Socialism it seemed fair game to me. I read his response at the time as well and felt it was more of a political than personal reaction, albeit in a personal guise - he was defending his fathers record and views whilst making it clear he disagreed with them - he wouldn't want to be seen as too left wing for obvious reasons.

I wouldn't have called it hate or bile. Had his father been a family man with no interest in politics then it would have been different. Certainly they could have given him more credit for his escape from Nazism and his war service, but he did have the hypocritical hallmarks of a true far left wing intellectual - his opposition to the war in Vietnam for example didn't stop him taking presumably lucrative jobs in US universities.

 

[david3392]

Rhys - You have shot yourself in the foot really, because of your post more people are going to go to the Daily mail website to see what all the fuss is about, or if they are petty do it to spite you.

So although I agree the mail is utter rubbish, though the pictures still look nice. You have had the opposite effect.

I did consider that effect before posting. It's known as the Barbara Streisand effect. However, I felt it was worth the risk. I felt I had to say something. Hopefully people will at least think about it and a few right-minded individuals might take my example and it will have been worth it.

A bit like the episode of Father Ted where Bishop Brennan orders Ted and Dougal to protest against an alleged blasphemous film (The Passion of St Tibulus). The're waving placards saying 'down with this sort of thing' and 'careful now' which leads to the entire village going to see what it's all about.

Just a couple of points for Rhys. What is the Barbra Streisand effect? This is a genuine question; I'm not being facetious. Also, should it be like-minded rather than right-minded? I believe there is a difference.

That sad, bravo for expressing your view. I don't entirely agree but I would defend your right to do so ( I can't remember who said that).

 

[Peter Burgess]

There are plenty of non-political issues where the lives of ordinary people are adversely affected by the Mail's deliberate policy of falsification.

 

[Bottlebank]

There are plenty of non-political issues where the lives of ordinary people are adversely affected by the Mail's deliberate policy of falsification.

Very true, and that why I think it's mainly junk and I wouldn't buy it, but I still object to being asked not to post links to anything they write I feel is worth reading!

If only it was just the Mail!

 

[crickleymal]

but he did have the hypocritical hallmarks of a true far left wing intellectual - his opposition to the war in Vietnam for example didn't stop him taking presumably lucrative jobs in US universities.

Why should your opposition to the Vietnam War stop you taking a job in the US? There are lots of things the UK governments (over the last 40 years) has done that I strongly object to, but that doesn't mean I have to leave the country.

 

[Peter Burgess]

I don't object to being asked to do things - I have the option of ignoring the request, as has everyone else. Ask me to sign up for a year's subscription to the DM. See if I object. No - I'll just ignore you!

 

[Bottlebank]

Why should your opposition to the Vietnam War stop you taking a job in the US? There are lots of things the UK governments (over the last 40 years) has done that I strongly object to, but that doesn't mean I have to leave the country.

I'm not saying he shouldn't have accepted the jobs, simply pointing out the hypocrisy of a Marxist in the 70's accepting them, taking full benefit and flourishing under a capitalist system he claimed he wanted to bring down.

 

[complex]

What is the Barbra Streisand effect? This is a genuine question; I'm not being facetious.

The Streisand effect is well dcoumented on wikipedia - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

Cheers,
complex