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Title: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: paul on November 08, 2021, 07:44:56 am
There's a major cave rescue incident involving an injured in OFD:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59203695
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: aricooperdavis on November 08, 2021, 07:50:52 am
It's been ongoing for a couple of days now and sounds like quite a complex operation. Best of luck to all the teams involved, and wishing the casualty a swift recovery!
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: CavefestUK on November 08, 2021, 08:52:27 am
I hope this ends well. Good luck to all involved.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: caving_fox on November 08, 2021, 09:04:45 am
Wow, that's a big rescue from OFD. Anyone know whereabouts in the system the unfortunate caver fell?

Well done to all the rescue people involved!
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: mikem on November 08, 2021, 10:40:23 am
"Live" updates: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-wales-59206392
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: mikem on November 08, 2021, 11:36:50 am
Mail joins in with a couple of actual photos:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10177259/amp/Major-rescue-launched-save-trapped-caver-stuck-two-days.html

Main BBC report has also been updated to say they are heading for top entrance.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: mudman on November 08, 2021, 11:51:10 am
Mail joins in with a couple of actual photos:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10177259/amp/Major-rescue-launched-save-trapped-caver-stuck-two-days.html

Main BBC report has also been updated to say they are heading for top entrance.

And the predictable comments have started too. One even compares cavers to Insulate Britain FFS.  :furious:
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Ian Ball on November 08, 2021, 11:53:44 am
Do they need any extra helpers?
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: hannahb on November 08, 2021, 12:19:38 pm
Do they need any extra helpers?


I don't think so. CRO asked the cavers' list for availability, and they got more Yes's than they needed.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: mikem on November 08, 2021, 12:20:56 pm
And the predictable comments have started too. One even compares cavers to Insulate Britain FFS.  :furious:
Better than some previous comparisons. I wouldn't bother with the comments...
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: pwhole on November 08, 2021, 12:33:52 pm
I'm almost tempted to register for Mail Online, against my better judgement, just to give them some shit.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Katie on November 08, 2021, 12:35:06 pm
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Do they need any extra helpers?
Not at the moment! I spoke to them this morning to check as we had additional cavers from DCRO available.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Badlad on November 08, 2021, 12:54:30 pm
Just caught the last part of an interview by Adrian Childs with Bill Whitehouse BCRC on the lunchtime news.  The bit I heard came across well.

CRO asked the list for volunteers to attend S Wales at 06.00 this morning.  This was last night and they very soon had the numbers they required and withdrew the request.

I imagine rotation of teams was a major consideration.  Hope all ends well.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Cantclimbtom on November 08, 2021, 06:41:17 pm
Some update
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59203695
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: martinr on November 08, 2021, 07:46:42 pm
BBC 19:40
Quote from: BBC 19:40
Rescue expected "within minutes"
The man trapped in the cave system is expected to be freed imminently.
The BBC's Rhys Williams, on the scene, said it was expecting he would be rescued "within minutes".
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: martinr on November 08, 2021, 08:08:13 pm
Quote from: BBC
20:00
BreakingCaver trapped underground is freed

The man trapped underground in a Brecon Beacons cave has been freed.

He become stuck in the Ogof Ffynnon Ddu network after injuring himself on Saturday.

It is expected he will now be taken to Swansea's Morriston Hospital by ambulance.

The caver, in his 40s, is said to have multiple injuries but they are not thought to be life threatening.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Ian Ball on November 08, 2021, 08:11:06 pm
Hope he makes a good recovery, what an excellent effort all round.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: darkandmuddy on November 08, 2021, 08:43:24 pm
Well done everyone on a successful rescue, really nice to see the community coming together.

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Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Keris82 on November 08, 2021, 09:04:18 pm
Amazing work to everyone involved. Glad he got out at last :D
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: SamT on November 08, 2021, 10:43:27 pm
Well done everyone involved.  Big operation with little, by the sounds of it, fuss.  :clap2:
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: PeteHall on November 08, 2021, 10:58:31 pm
Well done everyone involved.  Big operation with little, by the sounds of it, fuss.  :clap2:

You can include the casualty in that! Amazing resilience over such a long period, especially considering his injuries.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: paul on November 09, 2021, 07:54:19 am
It's also nice to see over 300 volunteers from 10 rescue teams from different parts of the country working together really well for a very successful outcome.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: andrewmc on November 09, 2021, 06:05:05 pm
The travel editor has been in touch. I've been asked to do a feature on the SWCC hut at Penwyllt as a romantic destination for (broke) couples. I hope no one will have a problem with that.

I mean, that pretty much describes most of my visits? (specifically the 'broke' part) :)

I only went in the cave on Sat and Sun (had to run away home on Mon) but it was definitely the accidental social event of the year - saw so many faces underground, waiting to go underground, or just emerged from underground all helping do what needed to be done. One of caving's finest moments. Out of curiosity, I've heard this described as the longest rescue in Wales - have there been any longer rescues in the UK or is this the longest?
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: wellyjen on November 09, 2021, 06:12:49 pm
I only went in the cave on Sat and Sun (had to run away home on Mon) but it was definitely the accidental social event of the year - saw so many faces underground, waiting to go underground, or just emerged from underground all helping do what needed to be done. One of caving's finest moments. Out of curiosity, I've heard this described as the longest rescue in Wales - have there been any longer rescues in the UK or is this the longest?
I suspect, without checking, Mossdale and the Neil Moss rescue in Peak Cavern. Both long and without a happy result, even recovery of their bodies.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: PeteHall on November 09, 2021, 06:31:44 pm
it was definitely the accidental social event of the year - saw so many faces underground, waiting to go underground, or just emerged from underground

Absolutely agree! While the atmosphere was certainly serious at times, there was also plenty of opportunity for some more light hearted socialising with friends from all over the country, particularly as the rescue neared its successful conclusion.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Judi Durber on November 09, 2021, 07:22:00 pm
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Out of curiosity, I've heard this described as the longest rescue in Wales - have there been any longer rescues in the UK or is this the longest?

My understanding is that it is the longest (time) continuous removal / movement of a casualty.

Yes there have been longer, where for example, waiting for water to go down.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: ChrisJC on November 09, 2021, 08:36:16 pm
I see the Beeb have a reasonably good article now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59219380

Chris.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: PeteHall on November 09, 2021, 09:20:45 pm
Slightly let down by mistakes in the last few paragraphs, but otherwise a pretty reasonable article.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Judi Durber on November 09, 2021, 09:32:11 pm
I like that more photos are being released of underground.

Does anyone know who the photographer was?
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: PeteHall on November 09, 2021, 09:57:48 pm
Does anyone know who the photographer was?

Tarquin took most, if not all of the underground pictures.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: psychocrawler on November 09, 2021, 10:43:33 pm
Fantastic effort and outcome by all involved.

Mail Online now is just unnecessary.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Judi Durber on November 09, 2021, 10:57:56 pm
Does anyone know who the photographer was?

Tarquin took most, if not all of the underground pictures.

I should have known   :clap2: :clap2:  they are good  ;D
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: PeteHall on November 09, 2021, 11:51:00 pm
Top story on  the Mail at the minute:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10183705/Freed-caver-pictured-Engineer-38-sparked-Britains-daring-underground-rescue-operation.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10183705/Freed-caver-pictured-Engineer-38-sparked-Britains-daring-underground-rescue-operation.html)
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: PeteHall on November 09, 2021, 11:59:09 pm
BCRC now puts it at 275 people. What a turnout!  :clap2:
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: alastairgott on November 10, 2021, 07:08:12 am
Does anyone know who the photographer was?

Tarquin took most, if not all of the underground pictures.

The three that I have seen were (I think) taken by JC.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: paul on November 10, 2021, 08:02:10 am
An excellent summary of the rescue on the BBC site:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59219380 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59219380)
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: paul on November 10, 2021, 08:27:17 am
The media-specific criticism is split into another topic.
Please keep the discussion in this Topic centred on the Rescue itself.


New Topic at https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=28807.0 for discussion of the media reporting.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: mrodoc on November 10, 2021, 09:42:45 am
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Out of curiosity, I've heard this described as the longest rescue in Wales - have there been any longer rescues in the UK or is this the longest?

My understanding is that it is the longest (time) continuous removal / movement of a casualty.

Yes there have been longer, where for example, waiting for water to go down.

The great Aggie rescue 40 years ago took a very long time. The casualty had a compound fracture sustained when a boulder fell on his leg at the bottom end of SSP. I remember being put on stand by in Chard then eventually being summoned and having to ask a local GP to cover me as I was on call for the practice - that was when GP's did whole weekends on call. There were at least three if not 4 doctors on that rescue.  I didn't think I would do SSP ever again - then they went and found a dry way into Maytime! We were asked not to talk to the press at that time - I can remember Readers Digest wanting to do a feature on it but nothing happened which is why it is not well known.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: PeteHall on November 10, 2021, 10:45:24 am
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Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Pegasus on November 10, 2021, 11:01:20 am
Well done Maxine, both on being part of the rescue and on your considered comments to the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59223829

"I initially went into the cave at 6am on Sunday morning for a 13-hour shift, carrying in rescue kit, then I moved on to the stretcher and then onto communications with the surface in order to give them updates as to how the casualty was doing and how the team was progressing - so quite busy really," she said.

"I had moments when I was able to hold his hand, talk to him and it was quite special to feel him squeeze my hand and know that he knew we were there for him"

'so quite busy really'
- beautifully understated  :)

Well done to the whole caving community, the rescuers and the helpers. Get well soon George  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: PeteHall on November 10, 2021, 11:13:54 am
Well done Maxine, both on being part of the rescue and on your considered comments to the BBC

Yes caught that on the radio on the way to work this morning. Nicely put.  :)
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: badger on November 10, 2021, 01:02:18 pm
Cavers are a funny lot, so divided on certain issues, yet when it matters most we come together as one.
Can only say like everyone, well done to those involved and for a successful result.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: maxb727 on November 10, 2021, 01:11:32 pm
Well done Maxine, both on being part of the rescue and on your considered comments to the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59223829

"I initially went into the cave at 6am on Sunday morning for a 13-hour shift, carrying in rescue kit, then I moved on to the stretcher and then onto communications with the surface in order to give them updates as to how the casualty was doing and how the team was progressing - so quite busy really," she said.

"I had moments when I was able to hold his hand, talk to him and it was quite special to feel him squeeze my hand and know that he knew we were there for him"

'so quite busy really'
- beautifully understated  :)

Well done to the whole caving community, the rescuers and the helpers. Get well soon George  :thumbsup:
Thanks Pegasus.

I went to work early today to try and catch up, but took a phone from Martin (Chair of MCR) asking if I could do a radio interview for BBC Bristol.

It’s snowballed from there into two interviews to camera too.

I did my best to show how amazing cavers are and I’ve been told they were using the team work angle on their reports.

So many people turned out to help and it’s really pleasing to be part of an amazing community of people!
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Huge on November 10, 2021, 01:47:41 pm
You did great Maxine!

Well done Maxine, both on being part of the rescue and on your considered comments to the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59223829


Apologies to Chunky for having his name associated with one of my poor snaps in that report!  :lol:
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Minion on November 10, 2021, 02:42:46 pm
You did great Maxine!

Well done Maxine, both on being part of the rescue and on your considered comments to the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59223829


Chunky can only aspire to be as good at cave photography as you, Huge! You had the benefit of five very photogenic subjects.

Apologies to Chunky for having his name associated with one of my poor snaps in that report!  :lol:
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: kay on November 10, 2021, 08:48:21 pm
Maxine, heard you on the 6pm BBC Radio 4 News, a very nicely judged commentary.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Huge on November 10, 2021, 11:15:55 pm
Chunky can only aspire to be as good at cave photography as you, Huge! You had the benefit of five very photogenic subjects.

Yeah, whatever!!  :lol:
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Wayland Smith on November 11, 2021, 06:17:05 pm
BBC report says.
Mr Linnane is being treated at the University Hospital of Wales, Cardiff, having broken a tibia, fibula, jaw, and suffered chest injuries.  :'(
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Mattrees on November 12, 2021, 08:56:05 am

So many people turned out to help and it’s really pleasing to be part of an amazing community of people!

This was my abiding impression.

Maxine, I was with you on the Sunday shift (Meander suit, cas carer).

Great job with the BBC.   :clap2:
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Rhys on November 12, 2021, 10:20:57 am
I'm also still amazed by the huge number of happy and willing cavers who came from all over the country to help, whether they knew George, or not.

Everyone just mucked in without complaint or argument. It was a pleasure to work with such a bunch of people.

Rhys
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Pete K on November 12, 2021, 10:51:19 am
From a conversation with someone in BCRC, it seems likely that around 1/3 of the entire UK Cave Rescue volunteer community were at this rescue in OFD.
It was amazing to be involved and seamlessly work alongside colleagues from so many other teams. I'm looking forward to seeing some of you again at the BCRC Rescue Conference in June 2022.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Ed on November 12, 2021, 04:17:26 pm
and I suspect at least another 1/3 of us got to work on Monday to see if could arrange time of if needed

Excellent community involvemetn
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Jenny P on November 12, 2021, 05:48:20 pm
Being right on the doorstep of the SWCC HQ must have made a huge difference in being able to organise things for the rescuers.  Quite apart from having a rescue store immediately to hand, being able to organise food and hot drinks for people having to stand about in the cold waiting to go down or having just come out must have helped morale no end.  SWCC obviously pulled out all the stops to assist in any way they could and deserve thanks from all involved.

Just imagine having a rescue of this magnitude somewhere up on the moors in Yorkshire, miles from the nearest road - it doesn't bear thinking about.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: mrodoc on November 12, 2021, 06:53:11 pm
That occurred to me as well. Also a team could get to the casualty relatively rapidly. The call out from the far end of Southern Passage took many hours and it was fortunate the casualty wasn't more seriously injured. Perhaps for cave systems like this a cave link radio at remote locations with a long lasting battery would be a useful thing to have in rescue dumps.. Now we have the technology I don't see why it should not be used in this way for emergencies. Perhaps sponsors could be found.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: David Rose on November 12, 2021, 07:18:28 pm
Brilliant idea.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Slug on November 13, 2021, 08:50:30 am
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59226313

 Just seen this article on the BBC Nnews website, quite well written.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Bob Mehew on November 13, 2021, 11:38:02 am
and also in https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/13/he-was-actually-cracking-jokes-a-volunteer-on-the-54-hour-brecon-beacons-cave-rescue (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/13/he-was-actually-cracking-jokes-a-volunteer-on-the-54-hour-brecon-beacons-cave-rescue) nice article on interview with Chair of BCRC
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Rhys on November 14, 2021, 09:14:29 am
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0b3zm5k My wife Mandie (using her maiden/professional name) speaking about being a cave rescue doctor on her favourite podcast - Newscast. She's on from 32:40 and follows some bloke called Tony Blair at COP26.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: mrodoc on November 14, 2021, 11:34:27 am
I am suddenly feeling old. I remember caving with Mandy when you came out to Meghalaya on honeymoon (we decorated the tent with balloons).  Regarding my suggestion of emergency phones - it would need some thought. Firstly it would predicate on somebody on the surface making contact rather than the other way round so would have to be linked to a call out system (unless you link to a red flashing light). Secondly they couldn't be put just anywhere but with a bit of thought the most remote locations could be targeted. The casualty in this rescue was fortunate in one way that he had his accident relatively near the surface so a call out could be made rapidly and first aid brought in much faster than in most rescues. With the SSP rescue in Aggy 40 years ago a party member had to cover over a mile of cave then make a substantial walk just to get near a phone (and of course there were no mobiles then). Despite being one of the biggest rescues the UK had seen it seems to have gone under the radar a bit.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Jopo on November 15, 2021, 06:16:55 pm
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Despite being one of the biggest rescues the UK had seen it seems to have gone under the radar a bit.

I don't think social media had been invented then Pete.

Jopo
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: mrodoc on November 15, 2021, 07:03:41 pm
That was the subtext Jopo :)
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: Jopo on November 16, 2021, 02:50:21 pm
Nevertheless it started a process that culminated in the development of the stretcher and spinal used on Georges rescue. When the dust has settled we will see if any more tweaks can be made.
Title: Re: Large Rescue Call out to OFD
Post by: mikem on November 17, 2021, 09:45:42 pm
Maxine's morning interview from 2hrs 14mins & 30secs:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09yzcsf

& Six o'clock news, from 23mins:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0011cz1
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