Madness said:So in reality Mendip cavers could benefit a fair bit should DEFRA drop this 'As far as daylight penetrates' absurdity.
Madness said:So in reality Mendip cavers could benefit a fair bit should DEFRA drop this 'As far as daylight penetrates' absurdity.
AR said:I'm generally trying to stay out of the CROW "debate",
Simple answer is no, as I guess you would have expected. My take is DEFRA accept that on going from say a 'flat' surface to one which has a massive indentation in it (i.e. a cave) there is at some boundary, a position where open air 'finishes'. I won't boor people by repeating our argument as to why this is wrong.AR said:whether reflecting daylight with mirrors to illuminate the further reaches of a cave is allowed?
AR said:Madness said:So in reality Mendip cavers could benefit a fair bit should DEFRA drop this 'As far as daylight penetrates' absurdity.
I'm generally trying to stay out of the CROW "debate", but I keep wondering whether reflecting daylight with mirrors to illuminate the further reaches of a cave is allowed?
You delve into the dark depths of CRoW. Simplest way is to look for the cave location on DEFRA's Magic web site http://magic.defra.gov.uk/having set up the display to show Open Access Land. NE's map at http://www.openaccess.naturalengland.org.uk/wps/portal/oasys/maps/MapSearch/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gfdwMzDyNnA0v_kCBXA08DT38XHy9PQ38DE6B8pFm8AQ7gaEBAdzjIPrN4M3cfC0MnfwNLg0A_CwNPC3MTI0cPbwMDY1OIPB7z_Tzyc1P1C3IjDLJMHBUBQs8ezw!!/dl3/d3/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/ requires you to have a NGR or similar. There are some get outs for registered common land which can make them not "access land".bograt said:Investigating a couple of the sites named by Jenny earlier, I note that they are on 'Registered Common Land', rather than 'Open Country Access land', although the CRoW rules are similar, I wonder if it makes a difference?, I don't have time to look into it at the moment.
Madness said:Being a midlander, I'm not familiar with that neck of the woods. I am surprised that there are that many caves on Access Land in the Mendips.
PeteHall said:A lot of these "sites" are known cave sites, rather than caves of sufficient length to warrant an individual entry in the guidebook. Many of these may be within daylight to the end anyway!
It would be very intersting to see what those numbers looked like if we only included caves of over say, 25m.
Madness said:Can any one tell me how many Mendip Caves are on Access Land?
Of those that are, how many are gated? How many require perpmits?
I'm trying to get my head around the concerns that certain Mendip Cavers have about the 'CRoW Issue'
jasonbirder said:Just out of interest....what's the direction we're going with this information?
Presumably...it doesn't matter if there's 1 or 1,000 Caves on Access land on Mendip...
BCA are pro-access as per the mandate given in last years referendum...
Regardless of the feelings of the Southern Region reps...its the BCA's duty to represent its members and push for it...