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Title: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 09, 2021, 05:04:13 pm
Reading the BCA thread I thought this would be interesting to know ?

Paul
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: pwhole on September 09, 2021, 05:11:08 pm
Actual proven case you mean? Not me. Not many of my friends or family either. I think my 18 year-old niece has, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Pitlamp on September 09, 2021, 05:24:37 pm
Sadly, I lost two of my neighbours to Covid-19 - one a former caver - straight across the road from me. I've also lost a few friends to it since March last year. I've not gone down with the virus but I'd say the above has certainly affected me deeply.

I keep testing negative, which astounds me as my job involves close contact with large numbers of people (including many from the higher tiers when they were supposed to be staying at home). Recognising this I've been religiously taking cod liver oil capsules (for Vitamin D), general multivitamins and Echinacea since the start. When the vaccinations were offered I grabbed them gratefully - and gave up alcohol for a fortnight before and after both times, to avoid any chance of compromising their effectiveness. I'm convinced something above has helped me avoid catching the virus.

The bloke who services my boiler is a fit fella (very keen fell runner; often does really well in races). He ended up with long Covid for many months. Last time I saw him he was just trying to build up to a feeble attempt at a mere 5 km park run after 6 months of feeling awful (and only being able to to do limited amounts of work).

I hope everybody is still taking this virus seriously . . .
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: crickleymal on September 09, 2021, 05:27:22 pm
My entire household have had it, I was lucky to avoid hospital. It killed my best friend.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Tomferry on September 09, 2021, 05:57:34 pm
I have heard of a few local cases with a couple going on ventilators but these people refused their vaccine “who caught it and went on the ventilator “  I am talking about , me and my family all took both jabs ASAP and luckily have avoided this .

From
Northamptonshire

Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: royfellows on September 09, 2021, 06:09:39 pm
Nothing here or anyone I know bar a family up north. Old mate is in his 80s and survived.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Cap'n Chris on September 09, 2021, 06:11:11 pm
I know of plenty of people who have had CV19 and just 1 person to have died attributed to CV19 (elderly/unfit/&unwell); I know of more who have committed suicide since this shitshow commenced.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Speleofish on September 09, 2021, 06:16:22 pm
Personally, I'm the only member of my family to have had it and got off lightly (despite being a fat, hypertensive diabetic). Several of my colleagues got it at the same time and generally had mild or very mild disease but the guy with whom I shared an office, who is younger and much fitter than me, was off for many weeks and had numerous subsequent complications. 18 months later, he's just getting back to normal.

Professionally, I've seen about several hundred cases and have never, ever worked so hard or been so stressed. I thought I hadn't been particularly badly affected but my family pointed out (fairly politely) that I was fooling myself and considered dragging me off to a friendly local psychiatrist (which might have accelerated my recovery). I'm coming back to normal now but it's taken several months. 
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 09, 2021, 06:16:46 pm
Actual proven case you mean? Not me. Not many of my friends or family either. I think my 18 year-old niece has, but that's about it.

Yes tested positive not think they have had it
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 09, 2021, 06:18:29 pm
My entire household have had it, I was lucky to avoid hospital. It killed my best friend.

So sorry to hear that buddy its awful  :'(
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 09, 2021, 06:20:06 pm
Sadly, I lost two of my neighbours to Covid-19 - one a former caver - straight across the road from me. I've also lost a few friends to it since March last year. I've not gone down with the virus but I'd say the above has certainly affected me deeply.

I keep testing negative, which astounds me as my job involves close contact with large numbers of people (including many from the higher tiers when they were supposed to be staying at home). Recognising this I've been religiously taking cod liver oil capsules (for Vitamin D), general multivitamins and Echinacea since the start. When the vaccinations were offered I grabbed them gratefully - and gave up alcohol for a fortnight before and after both times, to avoid any chance of compromising their effectiveness. I'm convinced something above has helped me avoid catching the virus.

The bloke who services my boiler is a fit fella (very keen fell runner; often does really well in races). He ended up with long Covid for many months. Last time I saw him he was just trying to build up to a feeble attempt at a mere 5 km park run after 6 months of feeling awful (and only being able to to do limited amounts of work).

I hope everybody is still taking this virus seriously . . .


So sorry for your losses John I really feel for you as I to have been deeply affected   :down:
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 09, 2021, 06:26:05 pm
As Pitlamp has just said I dont think a lot are still taking it seriously   :confused:, my wife and cave companion works in ITU and the numbers in ther have rocketed over the last few days  and I fear when the colder weather comes we are all in for a shock.

The biggest problem is people think when they have had both vaccines that they are 100 % immune  this is NOT the case my wifes ITU unit is full of young double vaccinated patients , last night a 29 year old fit young lady passed away from it  :down:
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: sinker on September 09, 2021, 07:54:23 pm
As Pitlamp has just said I dont think a lot are still taking it seriously   :confused:, my wife and cave companion works in ITU and the numbers in ther have rocketed over the last few days  and I fear when the colder weather comes we are all in for a shock.

The biggest problem is people think when they have had both vaccines that they are 100 % immune  this is NOT the case my wifes ITU unit is full of young double vaccinated patients , last night a 29 year old fit young lady passed away from it  :down:

Outbreak on our site this week; Pipelayer, Engineer and dumper driver.
All picked it up from their sons on their first week back in school; that's not proven but the timings and dates all seem to add up.
All three of their son's, aged 7-12, developed symptoms and tested +ve. Couple of days later they have passed it on to Mum and Dad. All double-vaccinated.

Don't take your eye off the ball.  :(

Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Steve Clark on September 09, 2021, 08:07:24 pm
An older lady in our climbing club caught it during the first outbreak prior to lockdown. Died in hospital in isolation. We broke lockdown rules to stand by the road as the hearse passed.

I had covid pre-jabs in January. 10days in bed and recovered after about 4weeks. My wife caught it about 3days later than me. She suffered worse and went to hospital in an ambulance, although she was discharged later the same day. She is still ill 8 months later. Resting pulse of 80+, rising to 120+ after a single flight of stairs. Doctors are working on it. (We are both 41.)

Our son (11) had it a few months later, he had a few minor symptoms.

A friend caught covid recently, despite having two active doses of the Jansen single dose vaccine late last year as part of the control trial. He was ill for a week, recovered enough to get back to running 5k’s in his usual times, then deteriorated with sharp pains in his chest. They’re trying to figure what’s wrong with him.

We have two members of our club in bed at the moment PCR positive. Both double jabbed earlier this year.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: pwhole on September 09, 2021, 08:34:07 pm
There's a lot of reality-denial going on right now, particularly around Covid. I appreciate the normal human condition involves being physically close to people, but I keep seeing stuff between strangers that just makes me shudder, as it's so obviously risky. And I suspect many people genuinely believe that being double-jabbed makes them immune. One other factor that may be under-appreciated by many of the public about Covid in particular is that most other viral diseases in GB are not especially fatal to healthy people who are not too old - and so a sense of complacency has arisen about 'catching a cold' that can be ridden out with a couple of days off work, school or wherever. The possibility of actually dying from these diseases is very low, and so now there's a virus that really can kill even healthy people very quickly, people just don't know how to face it, and so pretend it isn't happening. I've seen interviews with Covid patients in hospital genuinely surprised that they're there. And people asking if they can have the vaccine when they're dying and it's way too late. I think the best thing anyone can do is stay as healthy as possible. I agree with Pitlamp about Vitamin D too - it's a no-brainer for the price.

I'm following the US stats and stories closely, as they're now showing just what happens when it gets out of control, even in a rich country. Idaho's health service is collapsing - Oregon's is not far behind. Nearly all of these are unvaccinated people, and typically all the people who were expecting treatment for all the other illnesses in the world are now screwed, and may die as a result. 90% of our hospital patients are unvaccinated. Is it possible that soon the moral compass will swing back toward prioritising the non-Covid patients over unvaccinated Covid patients? As in, vaccine passports presented at the desk or they're on a trolley outside instead of Auntie Jean who now super-urgently needs her hip replaced? It sounds harsh, but I bet it's potentially a lot harsher working on the wards.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/idaho-begins-rationing-health-care-covid-surge-crushes-hospitals-n1278670 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/idaho-begins-rationing-health-care-covid-surge-crushes-hospitals-n1278670)
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: JAA on September 09, 2021, 09:39:35 pm
My girlfriend has it currently. Otherwise fairly healthy 40 yr old. She’s on oxygen in hospital and has been since Monday, barely able to breathe without it. She has two young children. Please get vaccinated if you haven’t already people.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: PeteHall on September 10, 2021, 12:05:42 am
Quite a few of my colleagues have had it. My sister and her husband had it, a bunch of my mum's friends have had it. Only one person I know ended up in hospital and he's fine now.

In the meantime, I know dozens of people who's mental health has suffered through lockdown. Many have quit work, with no other plans as they just couldn't cope with it. I know people who have become completely paranoid and can't leave the house,  or are having panic attacks if they have to interact with others. I know people who have turned to junk food and alcohol and I know one person who took their life.

I have seen far more suffering caused by lockdown than I have seen caused by the virus, but I appreciate that others have had different experiences.

As someone said during the first lockdown, we aren't all in the same boat with this. We are in the same storm. We are all in different boats and we all have different things dragging us down and different needs to stay afloat.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Speleofish on September 10, 2021, 07:08:20 am
I particularly like the line 'we're not all in the same boat, but we're in the same storm'.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: badger on September 10, 2021, 07:36:50 am
I have had, had covid issues, my nephew was confirmed positive on christmas day 2020. so that was a disrupted christmas for my brothers side of the family. My niece's boyfriend lost both his grandparents (mum side) to covid. Fortunately I have not been directly effected.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Rachel on September 10, 2021, 07:58:49 am
I haven't had it myself, but numerous colleagues have (I work in a hospital but not with covid patients). The majority had an unpleasant time for a few weeks at home but a couple were hospitalised needing oxygen and one was in ICU for several months. Most have recovered ok, including the one who was in ICU, but some are now struggling with long covid. Our department is woefully short staffed due to sickness, which is impacting hundreds of patients.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: mikem on September 10, 2021, 08:10:16 am
The lockdowns were mainly to prevent the NHS being totally overwhelmed by numbers of patients, it was always going to struggle with a pandemic.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Alex on September 10, 2021, 09:17:42 am
I thought I had it last year was ill for a while fever, weakness, coughing etc. But the test I took was negative. It spread to my tonsils and I had a very bad time with that not being able to eat properly. Whatever that was left me with a weird muscle twitches in my calf for about 3 months.

Luckily neither me, my partner or either of our parents have caught it or at least have not been symptomatic. However, it has killed a caving friend of mine. Maybe because we don't interact with any kids? Can't say I have even had a cold for over a year now.

The biggest effect on me, meant I was waiting a good 12 months for a medical treatment, which thankfully is now finally being treated because at this it's painful as F***.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: royfellows on September 10, 2021, 09:23:00 am
I know its not why you called, but the effect of the lockdowns deserves some thought.

I was lucky in that the house had been driving me silly for some time. Everywhere I looked things needed doing, I have an outbuilding as big as the bungalow and the windows were dropping out.

The outbuilding was the subject of the first lockdown. First task was to take inventory of what materials I had to formulate a plan. Without going into details it worked out well. Second lockdown I could at least buy stuff so got stuck into the bungalow.

I suppose its called "occupational therapy".

My overall point here is that life is a sort of game of chance with various doors and windows continuously opening and closing, big mistake is to take anything for granted such as the continuity of the everyday existence with which you are familiar. One needs to be prepared to duck and dive with it but never give up.

I am fully aware of the current situation but dont lie awake worrying about it. I have better things to do while I am still around.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: mrodoc on September 10, 2021, 09:48:44 am
I have one friend who had it - he lives in a city and caught it early in the pandemic. He is suffering badly from post viral syndrome. I think long Covid is probably a misnomer as this has all the characteristics of the post viral fatigue syndrome I occasionally encountered in general practice. I suspect the Corona virus for whatever reason is more effective at triggering a long term adverse reaction to the infection. One of my colleagues has had  post viral fatigue for some years and had to give up working full time. She is hoping a bit more research will now go into investigating the pathology of the illness.  We are going to have to live with this virus for the foreseeable future as we have with the common cold, influenza and a number of other viral illnesses we don't have vaccines for. Many of these minor illnesses e.g. hand foot and mouth disease can be quite unpleasant and in rare cases have significant complications. Vaccination is something I would always recommend. Our bodies have to fend off viruses all the time - vaccines help to boost our reaction to specific known diseases.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: The Old Ruminator on September 10, 2021, 10:18:15 am
In February 2020 I was ill for a few days. Bad cough , no appetite and unable to do much. I had been to an 80th birthday party for a relative who had just returned from Spain. A few of us had the same thing. Whether it was C. 19 I dont know but I have had nothing like it before.
Trouble is many have now got a form of " Stockholm Syndrome " ( I call them " Dodgers " ) as the governments propaganda worked far better than they ever imagined. I ultimately complained to the BBC for saying that 1000,s had now died FROM Covid when in reality Covid might well have been secondary on the D.C. and possibly caught in hospital. The complaint was acknowledged in a cursory way but the comment was changed to WITH.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: sinker on September 10, 2021, 10:28:28 am

…..life is a sort of game of chance with various doors and windows continuously opening and closing....


….or indeed falling out.... :lol:

Good points made though. Attitude and resilience will get you through anything if you can be flexible and adaptable.
Off topic and something that people will no doubt argue about but I grew up in the 70s and 80s in a military environment, inside the wire, and without being bullied, dogged or shouted at, I developed a natural resilience and adaptability which has stood me in good stead ever since. I'm not bulletproof or covidproof by any means but I think I can make reasonable judgements and adjustments to cope with any situation without losing my marbles or going off the rails.

 
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Speleofish on September 10, 2021, 11:19:00 am
In reply to MRODoc, I think 'long covid' encompasses several conditions. I agree some cases fit into the category of post-viral fatigue. Another group are more typical of post-ICU syndromes, an imperfectly defined group of overlapping conditions, some of which probably result from multi-organ failure, some consequent on prolonged sedation, some due to prolonged immobility etc.

A third cohort is probably the direct result of covid and its complications on the heart, lungs (prolonged inflammation and possible scarring), brain and clotting systems (including pulmonary emboli [blood clots in the lung] of which we saw a large number both during the acute infection and occurring some months later. There's a large amount of interesting research being published on this, so I suspect things will become clearer over the next year or two.

Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 10, 2021, 11:40:59 am
Both my wife and myself had it back in Nov 2020, there was a tsunami of it in our area in Nov and I don't know anybody that didn't have it !.

We always thought with the nature of Sues, work that it was not if but when we contracted COVID , she shook it off pretty well but I was ill for about three weeks , liking it to proper flu on steroids even now 10 months on I still havent got my zest back and my GP although he is trying his best is still scratching his head and has conducted more tests than you can throw a stick at . I have prescribed myself a week away every 4/5 weeks to get some caving, mine exploration and diving done  :lol:. I also had a bad reaction to the AZ vaccine so much so I finished up having full body MRI scans and it has left me with a funny sort of Tinnitus , similar to a cricket insect sound in my right ear. The Drs said that I must have the Pfizer as my second dose as they " deemed the AZ unsuitable for a second dose " . The Pfizer vaccine I was ok with .

As for family my wife lost 6 members of her family last year including her mum and dad  :down: all down to COVID, some grace for her was knowing that we didn't pass it on to them. My dad had it and although he is very very poorly and permanently in a hospital bed somehow managed to survive it god only knows how  :-\ if you understand his 02 sats were only 68 on full 15 liters of oxygen, they did use an experimental drug on him that for the life of me I cant remember the name of it . I think looking at peoples replies one of the biggest issues is mental health that is plaguing people ???
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Speleofish on September 10, 2021, 11:50:28 am
I agree mental health problems are probably the most prevalent condition affecting the population as a whole, whether as a direct result of the infection; the frustrations, anxiety and boredom associated with lockdown; or the stress and distress caused by looking after patients with it. Although people in general have followed government guidance much more closely than was expected at the start of the pandemic, I've noticed a weary fatalism growing among many of my neighbours, which is leading to many of them behaving much less cautiously than before - a viewpoint I can understand.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Laurie on September 10, 2021, 12:13:34 pm
My wife and I were early sufferers, March last year, sadly my wife of 40 years did not survive.
I still suffer with Long Covid.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Goydenman on September 10, 2021, 12:51:02 pm
My wife and I were early sufferers, March last year, sadly my wife of 40 years did not survive.
I still suffer with Long Covid.

so sad to hear my thoughts are with you and I hope you recover fully. A friend of a friend is at last seeing good recovery from long covid
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: 2xw on September 10, 2021, 01:29:54 pm
I've had it, my sister and her partner had it, a fair few of my relatives have had it, both my housemates have had it, and lots of my students have had it also
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 10, 2021, 04:37:05 pm
My wife and I were early sufferers, March last year, sadly my wife of 40 years did not survive.
I still suffer with Long Covid.

My deepest condolences buddy   :(
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 10, 2021, 04:38:02 pm
I've had it, my sister and her partner had it, a fair few of my relatives have had it, both my housemates have had it, and lots of my students have had it also

Mmmm almost the same area as me was it the Nov tsunami that passed through ?
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: BradW on September 10, 2021, 08:49:36 pm
I had a few close shaves. Early on, discovering I had been around others who ended up positive, but so far I have stayed clear. As a result I have stayed strictly away from all cavers social events (and non caving ones too) where anyone other than people I trust are present - this is frustrating but it's my choice. Who knows when we can all get back to those great caving weekends with packed huts and the like. If that's the only downside for me then I am fortunate, as at least I have avoided the bug so far.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: paulf on September 10, 2021, 09:45:07 pm
Both myself & my wife got it over Xmas 2020, She suffered worse than me (stuck in bed very flue like, bad cough) I feel lucky it hit me like a bad cold (cough not as bad as my wife's)

Neither of my 2 children who live with us - Daughter aged 24 & Son 21 got it.

Only long Covid symptom I seem to have is - (Numb, tingly / warm Thigh) Yep I only  found this out after watching a program on Long Covid symptoms !

I would say Brain Fuzz (because I now really struggle to remember people's names) but this could be just normal for me.

As a builder I have met several clients whose family members have died from it.

I also know of 2 friends who have lost a parent, even they were relatively fit & active (70)

My Friends Pregnant Niece (31) got Married about 6 weeks ago (Everyone caught it, bar the Grandma who was double jabbed) Niece had to have a C section as her breathing was bad, thankfully all are fine now.

 
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: RobinGriffiths on September 10, 2021, 11:23:36 pm
It is a bit worrying as we seem to be hell bent on getting people to catch it whilst we are dosed up a la vaccine. 1 in 45 people in Scotland last week. This pathogen hasen't even seen it's second anniversary. God knows what long term prognosis is.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: NewStuff on September 11, 2021, 05:44:19 am
I'm the only person in my work, aside from visitors, that actually wears a mask. Many anti-vaxxers and conspiraloons. Yes, I'm interviewing elsewhere.

This winter is going to be messy. People seem to think because they don't like it/ignore it/the government gives up, that it's actually gone away.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Tripod on September 11, 2021, 10:21:33 am
It is a bit worrying as we seem to be hell bent on getting people to catch it whilst we are dosed up a la vaccine. 1 in 45 people in Scotland last week. This pathogen hasen't even seen it's second anniversary. God knows what long term prognosis is.

1200 scientists wrote to the Lancet stating that the government (re. "Freedom Day") had a "murderous" policy of "herd immunity through mass infection". The people of this country are still being encouraged to believe that vaccination protects from infection and prevents transmission which it does not to the extent they believe. The vaccines reduce the severity of symptoms in infected people but not for all. As for "double jabbed" and "fully vaccinated" and the consequence of people ceasing to wear masks or take other precautions this only adds to the current levels of misunderstanding and overall chaos.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 11, 2021, 11:31:30 am
I'm the only person in my work, aside from visitors, that actually wears a mask. Many anti-vaxxers and conspiraloons. Yes, I'm interviewing elsewhere.

This winter is going to be messy. People seem to think because they don't like it/ignore it/the government gives up, that it's actually gone away.

Too True !
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 11, 2021, 11:34:15 am
It is a bit worrying as we seem to be hell bent on getting people to catch it whilst we are dosed up a la vaccine. 1 in 45 people in Scotland last week. This pathogen hasen't even seen it's second anniversary. God knows what long term prognosis is.



1200 scientists wrote to the Lancet stating that the government (re. "Freedom Day") had a "murderous" policy of "herd immunity through mass infection". The people of this country are still being encouraged to believe that vaccination protects from infection and prevents transmission which it does not to the extent they believe. The vaccines reduce the severity of symptoms in infected people but not for all. As for "double jabbed" and "fully vaccinated" and the consequence of people ceasing to wear masks or take other precautions this only adds to the current levels of misunderstanding and overall chaos.

As I have a lot of People contact with my job ,The amount of times I have heard especially elderly say " Im ok now I have had both vaccines " you would not believe   :o  :'(
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Speleofish on September 11, 2021, 12:00:16 pm
The original justifications for lockdown were twofold. First to slow the rate at which people caught the disease and so prevent the NHS collapsing. Second, to give time to develop and manufacture vaccines, which would hopefully reduce the number of people developing severe disease or dying. The downsides of lockdown are obvious, both on mental health and on the economy so one needs a really good reason for inflicting it on people.
 
Currently, 66% of the whole population are fully vaccinated including over 80% of over 16s. 89% of over 16s have had one dose. Almost all over 16s have had the opportunity to get vaccinated but some have refused so, presumably, most of the unvaccinated are unlikely to change their status.

As vaccination doesn't stop you getting a mild infection and passing it on, it is 'inevitable' that everyone in the country will encounter Covid during the next year or so, a proportion will develop severe disease and some will die. Continued lockdown will slow the rate at which people catch the disease but won't change the total numbers who get it eventually.

If we've got as much benefit as possible from vaccination, the only thing we can influence is the rate at which patients hit the NHS. Ideally, it would be better if this was spread out over several months rather than everyone arriving at once. The fewer people who get it now, the more will be at risk over winter when we may also face an increase in conventional winter viruses. If we do get a significant 'flu season at the same time as we get a winter surge in Covid, the NHS will struggle. However, if most of those vulnerable to Covid infection have already had it, that risk is reduced.

Given the way Covid works, we aren't going to achieve herd immunity, though we should hopefully reach a point where the population has sufficient immunity to the disease that it becomes a nuisance rather than a recurring disaster. This may take a few years and several courses of vaccinations. However, provided it doesn't mutate radically, I'm fairly optimistic. 

Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Speleofish on September 11, 2021, 12:19:22 pm
Just to clarify, I think ending lockdown was the right thing to do. Some precautions remain sensible - particularly mask-wearing in confined places, hand-hygiene and really, really focussing on improving ventilation of enclosed spaces (eg nightclubs and public transport). Otherwise, I'd end all restrictions.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Hunter on September 11, 2021, 04:15:57 pm
Can’t be sure it was C19 but my wife had all the symptoms November/December 2019 before it had been recognised as being in UK.
Incessant cough, sore throat, fever, fatigue, breathlessness etc which lasted about 8 weeks in total.
After trying various over the counter remedies and ventolin inhalers which had very little effect we finally forced her to see the GP who after a thorough assessment in the surgery sent us to A&E where she spent the day on oxygen plus intravenous antibiotics & steroids before being discharged that same evening.
My daughter & I thought we were coming down with a cold at the time as we both had a mild cough and sore throat for a couple of days but that’s as bad as we got so whether it was a mild dose is anyone’s guess.
Suspect if it was Covid the wife picked it up at work as she was working in a pub at the time where a couple of the regular customers had been to the rugby World Cup in Japan just prior to her getting unwell.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 11, 2021, 04:25:30 pm
Can’t be sure it was C19 but my wife had all the symptoms November/December 2019 before it had been recognised as being in UK.
Incessant cough, sore throat, fever, fatigue, breathlessness etc which lasted about 8 weeks in total.
After trying various over the counter remedies and ventolin inhalers which had very little effect we finally forced her to see the GP who after a thorough assessment in the surgery sent us to A&E where she spent the day on oxygen plus intravenous antibiotics & steroids before being discharged that same evening.
My daughter & I thought we were coming down with a cold at the time as we both had a mild cough and sore throat for a couple of days but that’s as bad as we got so whether it was a mild dose is anyone’s guess.
Suspect if it was Covid the wife picked it up at work as she was working in a pub at the time where a couple of the regular customers had been to the rugby World Cup in Japan just prior to her getting unwell.

I have heard that from a LOT of people complaining of feeling unwell but somehow different. I also felt Bloody awful in Jan 20 just before it was announced saying to my wife " I don't know what's up with me It's not a cold and not influenza  but I feel dreadful " There was a case also revealed in France in the July of 19 way before it was common knowledge   :doubt:
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Jopo on September 12, 2021, 09:36:08 am


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I have heard that from a LOT of people complaining of feeling unwell but somehow different. I also felt Bloody awful in Jan 20 just before it was announced saying to my wife " I don't know what's up with me It's not a cold and not influenza  but I feel dreadful " There was a case also revealed in France in the July of 19 way before it was common knowledge

Marj and me suffered from a severe attack of what we assumed was Nova virus over Christmas 2019. I certainly had never felt so ill with 'flu' type systems and had had the flue jab in Oct.

We both have large families in the Midlands and whilst a fair few have had COVID infections of varying degrees we feel very fortunate in having no family deaths.

Jopo
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: yrammy on September 13, 2021, 08:22:03 am
I have not had it as far as I know. I know at least 8 people who have had it recently 6 of whom are double jabbed adults. I know one person who died of it earlier this year - but COVID was only part of he cause. She became alcoholic during lock down and  it was that which took her into hospital - where she caught COVID and died.

I take it very seriously although I am not paranoid. I wear a mask in busy places and use sanitiser.  My step mother is 77 and an x nurse. Last January she asked at her local heath clinic if she could help. They offered to employ her as she is qualified - but she opted to volunteer. She started by doing 4 mornings per week at the covid jab clinic. She is still doing it  and for nothing.  She is an example of selfless dedication. I take of my caving helmet to her
 Mary (Caving Librarian)
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Pitlamp on September 13, 2021, 08:25:16 am
Yes; I read this just after reading about talk of gongs for some tennis player.

Ponder on who the real heroes are.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: caving_fox on September 13, 2021, 10:11:32 am
Yes I recently had pos test (mild symptoms ) after attending music festivals, despite vaccination.

From earlier this year and last:
My brother, who manages to isolate without infecting family, a few of friend groups have had pos test, many of my neighbours have had pos tests, varying degrees of severity, several work colleagues. Luckily no-one requiring hospital, but bed-ridden.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: ttxela2 on September 13, 2021, 03:53:56 pm
Neither myself or my wife have had it.

My youngest daughter and her partner had it very early on around May 2020. She works in a care home. Said she wouldn't have known if she hadn't been tested, just had a slight tickle in her throat for a day or two.

Youngest daughters area manager had it and was in a coma (not sure that's the correct term) for months, has only just learnt to walk again.

Several of the neighbours in our close have had it, none with serious symptoms, nothing worse than a mild cold.

Auntie and Uncle in Derby both had it, Auntie was in intensive care but not on a ventilator and better now. Uncle didn't have it so bad but is still experiencing the after effects over a year later.

Our receptionist at work looked after her grandson the weekend after having her second vaccine, he had a positive test at nursery the Monday after and she subsequently tested positive. Was fine for a couple of days but was then bedridden for two weeks. Previously a bit of a fitness freak she couldn't walk up one flight of stairs on her return to work and had to call me down to carry any deliveries about. 4 months later she is just about back to normal.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: pwhole on September 13, 2021, 04:09:54 pm
I went to my parents' house yesterday evening with two of my brothers and their partners to celebrate my dad's 84th birthday, so there were seven adults in one closed room, and I spent much of the evening opening a door, any door, to increase airflow - after ten minutes someone would close it again. I pointed out that I'd shared a vehicle every day last week with a different person, two of whom had self-isolated recently, and that we were still technically in a pandemic, but it didn't seem to stick. Two of the people there wouldn't enter the house last time I saw them, and stood in the garden for their whole visit. Last night they were pretty much sitting on my knee, and I was the one backing away. The only difference is that we're all double-jabbed now, but as I pointed out earlier, that's not immunity, just less risk.

I'd quite like us to celebrate my dad's 85th birthday, but if he carries on like this we may not - I was glad to get home, frankly, and that's depressing on all sorts of levels.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 13, 2021, 05:16:51 pm
I have not had it as far as I know. I know at least 8 people who have had it recently 6 of whom are double jabbed adults. I know one person who died of it earlier this year - but COVID was only part of he cause. She became alcoholic during lock down and  it was that which took her into hospital - where she caught COVID and died.

I take it very seriously although I am not paranoid. I wear a mask in busy places and use sanitiser.  My step mother is 77 and an x nurse. Last January she asked at her local heath clinic if she could help. They offered to employ her as she is qualified - but she opted to volunteer. She started by doing 4 mornings per week at the covid jab clinic. She is still doing it  and for nothing.  She is an example of selfless dedication. I take of my caving helmet to her
 Mary (Caving Librarian)

Good of your step Mum Bravo   :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 13, 2021, 05:18:43 pm
Neither myself or my wife have had it.

My youngest daughter and her partner had it very early on around May 2020. She works in a care home. Said she wouldn't have known if she hadn't been tested, just had a slight tickle in her throat for a day or two.

Youngest daughters area manager had it and was in a coma (not sure that's the correct term) for months, has only just learnt to walk again.

Several of the neighbours in our close have had it, none with serious symptoms, nothing worse than a mild cold.

Auntie and Uncle in Derby both had it, Auntie was in intensive care but not on a ventilator and better now. Uncle didn't have it so bad but is still experiencing the after effects over a year later.

Our receptionist at work looked after her grandson the weekend after having her second vaccine, he had a positive test at nursery the Monday after and she subsequently tested positive. Was fine for a couple of days but was then bedridden for two weeks. Previously a bit of a fitness freak she couldn't walk up one flight of stairs on her return to work and had to call me down to carry any deliveries about. 4 months later she is just about back to normal.

We are only 16 miles north of Derby and it was awful in Nov last year and now Mansfield which as you probably know is not far away is the second highest infection place in the UK   :o  :(
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 14, 2021, 06:17:41 pm
Yes; I read this just after reading about talk of gongs for some tennis player.

Ponder on who the real heroes are.

Well put   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Fishes on September 14, 2021, 06:41:28 pm
My family have been careful (and lucky) and thankfully none of us have been infected. A number of my caving friends and colleagues have not been so lucky and have lost family members.

My office was initially careful but is gradually starting to ignore their own rules. Thankfully I am working mostly at home or at customers sites. The latest piece of stupidity involves them organising a Christmas party involving a pubs a restaurant and night club that will probably be full of intoxicated and badly behaved people with no thought of social distancing. I will not be attending.

Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: RobinGriffiths on September 14, 2021, 08:30:42 pm
Yes; I read this just after reading about talk of gongs for some tennis player.

Ponder on who the real heroes are.

Well put   :thumbsup:


It's not really Radacanu's fault - it's just politicians wanting some of the glitter to waft over themselves. There's already a kickback in the Daily Mail with commenters harumphing about migrants coming in an doing well and there's a deeply unpleasant (but predictable) undercurrent about mixed race people (again this is the commenters; the DM itself is positive about her). I say well done her.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 14, 2021, 08:56:53 pm
Mmm yes Xmas parties that will be interesting   :'(
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 14, 2021, 08:58:31 pm
Yes; I read this just after reading about talk of gongs for some tennis player.

Ponder on who the real heroes are.

Well put   :thumbsup:


It's not really Radacanu's fault - it's just politicians wanting some of the glitter to waft over themselves. There's already a kickback in the Daily Mail with commenters harumphing about migrants coming in an doing well and there's a deeply unpleasant (but predictable) undercurrent about mixed race people (again this is the commenters; the DM itself is positive about her). I say well done her.


How that young ladies life has changed in the matter of a couple of weeks   :blink:
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: PeteHall on September 14, 2021, 09:18:16 pm
Mmm yes Xmas parties that will be interesting   :'(

Well, I was at a work event on Friday, with about 500 people (mostly outside to be fair) and the CDG dinner on Saturday with about 70 people (mostly inside) and both were bloody brilliant!

Covid is here to stay, and everyone at risk has either been vsccinated, or has chosen not to be. If we can't get back to normal now, we never will and I, for one, won't be living the rest of my life in a bubble.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: RobinGriffiths on September 14, 2021, 11:40:09 pm
It's not really Radacanu's fault - it's just politicians wanting some of the glitter to waft over themselves. There's already a kickback in the Daily Mail with commenters harumphing about migrants coming in an doing well and there's a deeply unpleasant (but predictable) undercurrent about mixed race people (again this is the commenters; the DM itself is positive about her). I say well done her.

Hmm, I was wrong about the DM. A couple of new DM articles weaponising Radacanu online already. I 'spose large tree climbing felines do not change their spots.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Cap'n Chris on September 15, 2021, 07:15:42 am
In answer to the OP and re-reading the thread it looks currently like something in the region of 20 members here have had CV19 experiences. Obviously not all the membership read the forum, currently just over 5,000. Even if only 10% are active then 20/500 is 4%.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: paul on September 15, 2021, 09:17:04 am
Really, like any other survey, only in the region of 20 members of those who replied to the question have had CV19 experiences...
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: andrewmc on September 15, 2021, 10:38:26 am
I haven't because I'm generally horribly anti-social by virtue of working from home, but I did get caught up in the pingdemic when someone came to visit me and then within a day had to leave and go into isolation because they had been in contact with a confirmed positive case. Unfortunately it then took a full week for their PCR test result to come back! While I didn't technically have to isolate (as a second-order contact), it seemed reasonable to semi-isolate until the test result came back (given that it didn't really require significant lifestyle changes, just an online supermarket order).
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 15, 2021, 11:09:59 am
In answer to the OP and re-reading the thread it looks currently like something in the region of 20 members here have had CV19 experiences. Obviously not all the membership read the forum, currently just over 5,000. Even if only 10% are active then 20/500 is 4%.

Yes Chris I was thinking just the same and you have done the maths for me  :clap2:, its currently much lower than I had expected    :-\
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: NewStuff on September 15, 2021, 11:24:57 am
Yes Chris I was thinking just the same and you have done the maths for me  :clap2:, its currently much lower than I had expected    :-\
He's cherry picking his numbers. That's just a percentage of actual respondents.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Jim MacPherson on September 15, 2021, 11:29:56 am
In answer to the OP and re-reading the thread it looks currently like something in the region of 20 members here have had CV19 experiences. Obviously not all the membership read the forum, currently just over 5,000. Even if only 10% are active then 20/500 is 4%.

Yes Chris I was thinking just the same and you have done the maths for me  :clap2:, its currently much lower than I had expected    :-\

Assuming the current ONS infection survey is accurate (to 10th Sept), a figure of about 1 in 60 (Unless all the respondents live in Scotland) should be expected so if the fag packet calc is a good proxy for how far caver/mining types are prone to Covid 19 then the 1 in 25 would appear suggest they are about 250% above the norm, maybe not such a low figure after all!  Such is the joy of stats.

Jim
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: sinker on September 15, 2021, 11:35:33 am
In answer to the OP and re-reading the thread it looks currently like something in the region of 20 members here have had CV19 experiences. Obviously not all the membership read the forum, currently just over 5,000. Even if only 10% are active then 20/500 is 4%.

Yes Chris I was thinking just the same and you have done the maths for me  :clap2:, its currently much lower than I had expected    :-\

Assuming the current ONS infection survey is accurate (to 10th Sept), a figure of about 1 in 60 (Unless all the respondents live in Scotland) should be expected so if the fag packet calc is a good proxy for how far caver/mining types are prone to Covid 19 then the 1 in 25 would appear suggest they are about 250% above the norm, maybe not such a low figure after all!  Such is the joy of stats.

Jim

Yes, the joy of stats manipulation, interpolation and extraction; my quick calculation was that we appear to be 2-3 times more likely to catch it!!
Considering that I am a geek in a geeky hobby with a small circle of geeky friends who, when not mine exploring, is tinkering in the shed, I don't go clubbing, I don't go on stag do's in Benidorm or Prague, I have no social skills and NO LIFE ....and I'm a typical caver / mine explorer....I'm not sure how that works!  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm exaggerating, I'm not that bad but you get the idea.  ;)



Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: 2xw on September 15, 2021, 11:41:00 am
Statistically, and I mean no offense, won't most of the readership have been shielding/at home most of the pandemic, and have been vaccinated earliest, purely because of demographics?

Among my peers is way higher than 4%, principally because they all work in hospitals, teaching, care, prisons etc etc. Not that many could WFH
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: mudman on September 15, 2021, 03:44:03 pm
I tested positive for it on Monday 5th January 21, my wife and son soon after. My daughter had gone back to uni on the preceding Saturday and avoided it. I think we must have caught it from the local Asda and thought I'd just feel a bit shit for a few days. Anyway, on the next Friday, an ambulance was called for me after I collapsed and started fitting. A day or so later, I was walking into ICU and calling my wife telling her not to worry as I was sure it would only be for a matter of a few days. Some time in February I woke up on a renal ward in a completely different hospital. I remember none of what happened to me in the preceding few weeks apart from some seriously trippy dreams. I remember during one dream texting my wife to warn her that she shouldn't believe her eyes as I didn't think this was reality. I thought that was all part of the dream but she tells me she received it.  :shrug:
I'm not sure if being unaware of events was a blessing or not, but I have been told that I am extremely lucky to be alive today. My wife had the call a few times telling her to expect the worst. By all accounts everything was failing with oxygen levels falling into the 30s (is that possible?), infections, sepsis, cellulitis etc. as I rode the 'covid rollercoaster.'
Waking up on the renal ward, I was still slightly mad but could realise what had happened and immediately checked my fingers and toes to satisfy myself I still had them all (I did). I was a weak as a newborn and had to learn to walk and talk again. It took several more weeks before I would be discharged upon showing that I was able to climb a flight of stairs.
So here I am now in September and I'm still not fully recovered. I have come a long way but going underground is probably still a long way off. I walked the length of Trago Mills on the weekend and had to sit down. I am nowhere near as strong as I used to be and I tire very easily and can fall asleep suddenly at any time. Mentally, things are 'different' but it's hard to say in what way apart from it's best not to let me watch The Repair Shop without a box of tissues.
I'm a lot more careful than I was. I have had both jabs but appreciate that it may not protect me forever or that new variants may be able to circumvent it, thus I'll do my best to avoid it but at the same time I'm not going to miss out on life by being scared of leaving the house or meeting people.
First time I've 'put pen to paper' so to speak, about this and on reflection, the whole experience has had a major impact on me, some known and some still to be discovered. Important to look at the positives though. I finally quit nicotine after 40 years and I was touched to find out how many people really do care about me.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: mikem on September 15, 2021, 06:55:34 pm
On statistics, you'd really have to also ask how many haven't been affected to get any comparative data.
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 15, 2021, 07:02:00 pm
Thanks for sharing that mudman and so in depth  :thumbsup: o2 sats in the 30,s man you are lucky to be here bro  :o
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: jh5638 on September 16, 2021, 09:53:57 am
I managed to catch it in early August, just to show what it can do - I went from running a 2hr 40 Olympic triathlon to losing my breath walking 10m up a very shallow incline within a week. Needed a couple of days in bed, but thankfully nothing further. This despite being double vaccinated and in my mid 30s.

Happily I seem to have shaken off the worst of it within a few weeks and am hoping to get back running soon!
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Laurie on September 16, 2021, 11:08:42 am
The thing that hurt the most for me was my wife had hardly breathed her last when she became a statistic. Why did they have to give exact figures? I coulld imagine every number being just one digit different and my wife still being alive. The media just didn't think. In the end I just stopped wtching/listening to news broadcasts. Eighteen months on it still hurts enough to make me leave the room when they start quoting numbers. They treat it with as little sensitivity as they do reading out the football results
Title: Re: Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
Post by: Paul Marvin on September 16, 2021, 05:21:56 pm
I managed to catch it in early August, just to show what it can do - I went from running a 2hr 40 Olympic triathlon to losing my breath walking 10m up a very shallow incline within a week. Needed a couple of days in bed, but thankfully nothing further. This despite being double vaccinated and in my mid 30s.

Happily I seem to have shaken off the worst of it within a few weeks and am hoping to get back running soon!

My cardio output is still way down after almost a year . I used to smash my cycling targets now I can only sometimes get up to my desired heart rate .
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