Access: gating solutions
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cap n chris
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ditzy said:last time i borrowed a key from the quarrymens it was only a ?5 deposit.
They're under-charging. The Allen Keys cost more than that so perhaps they might want to consider making the deposit ?10 otherwise people are more likely to keep it; it's a snip.
Christian_Chourot
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graham said:
However, upon visiting the UBSS hut, you will find a relatively unknown Burrington cave with a 3m entrance pitch leading to a muddy sump that's not (to my knowledge been pushed). Feel free to give it a try, it's ungated, and openly accessible and no permit is needed. Many an UBSS caver has used their tackle in the cave.
We call it "Ogof Latrine"
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darkplaces
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YAY for the Quarrymans pub the Southern Mine explorers centre of the universe.ditzy said:last time i borrowed a key from the quarrymens it was only a ?5 deposit.
Seams like a balanced approach to me and big thanks to Cap 'n Chris for his hard work with that particular access arrangement.
*I still hate gates.
cap n chris
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c**tplaces said:
Couldn't have done it without the cooperation and assistance of Hanson's Daniel Thorne (who sadly died in an accident before the work was concluded).
anfieldman
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anfieldman said:
I also did not have time this morning to add that you were asked for a ?20 deposit which you said you did not have, then when it was discovered that you had more than the allowed amount of cavers for G.B. (and that you then had to have two keys for two parties) you offered your mobile phone as a deposit. There was no argument on cave leadership just a simple ''How many people are going? and can we have ?40 please?'' My sincere apologies Scutchamer if this is not you but this is what happened recently. I know because as Max Boyce say's ''I was there''.
mike barnes
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After 2 weeks mighty fine skiing in France and Switzerland, I'm disappointed to return and find NigR still hasn't responded to the questions asked about access and conservation, esp. the points raised by MartinR. I was looking forward to finding out how we can conserve beautiful sections of cave without having to resort to access restrictions. Or is the truth he was hoping we might all forget his earlier posts on this subject. I suspect the reality is, he does indeed have a loathing for gates, something to do with childhood I assume, but sadly he has giving little real thought to the important issue of conservation, as his earlier comment about being 'unable to return' to an earlier find suggests.
If my digs in the Black Mountain enter the massive system that must be here, I'm very concerned that it should remain as close as possible to how nature intended. Let's assume there is a cave here akin to Dan yr Ogof, (I pray every night!), which isn't protected by a long sump, how Nig would you go about protecting the many fine formations that are likely to be here. Do you really believe that 'keeping it quite' would work if it's a big system.
When Bob Batty and I discovered Heavens Door, we didn't tell a soul, though some cavers from Llygad did see me coming out of the depression with a few tanks all covered in mud. I think it was Joel a few weeks later who told me of the rumours in South Wales that we were 5km in. I think this goes to show that keeping it quite simply wouldn't work, and besides, I wouldn't want to have to do that. Despite your misguided notion that I've wanted to keep my finds all to myself!!!???, on the contrary, I would be delighted to know that responsible cavers were choosing my find(s) for a trip.
The only true conservation is to never go there, but that's totally illogical. To explore is part of our human characteristic. So we have to accept that wherever we go, we change the planet in some way. That is part of being alive. To leave a trail of footprints in a new passage would normally be considered ok, unless it's crystal white. But how do you preserve the formations, how do you stop them from being sold on e-bay? Nig, I would gladly bet you ?1000 that if I get into the Llygad master cave, damage will occur within 2 years of finding, if there is no access control. But I'll wait and see what your alternatives are and gladly consider all options.
If my digs in the Black Mountain enter the massive system that must be here, I'm very concerned that it should remain as close as possible to how nature intended. Let's assume there is a cave here akin to Dan yr Ogof, (I pray every night!), which isn't protected by a long sump, how Nig would you go about protecting the many fine formations that are likely to be here. Do you really believe that 'keeping it quite' would work if it's a big system.
When Bob Batty and I discovered Heavens Door, we didn't tell a soul, though some cavers from Llygad did see me coming out of the depression with a few tanks all covered in mud. I think it was Joel a few weeks later who told me of the rumours in South Wales that we were 5km in. I think this goes to show that keeping it quite simply wouldn't work, and besides, I wouldn't want to have to do that. Despite your misguided notion that I've wanted to keep my finds all to myself!!!???, on the contrary, I would be delighted to know that responsible cavers were choosing my find(s) for a trip.
The only true conservation is to never go there, but that's totally illogical. To explore is part of our human characteristic. So we have to accept that wherever we go, we change the planet in some way. That is part of being alive. To leave a trail of footprints in a new passage would normally be considered ok, unless it's crystal white. But how do you preserve the formations, how do you stop them from being sold on e-bay? Nig, I would gladly bet you ?1000 that if I get into the Llygad master cave, damage will occur within 2 years of finding, if there is no access control. But I'll wait and see what your alternatives are and gladly consider all options.
whitelackington
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Christian_Chourot said:
Does Ogof Latrine
drain into Bath Swallet :
