domestos bend
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Where is the best place to park for AA to not annoy locals - assuming not staying in whitewalls.
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The public carpark is (south-) east of Whitewalls, not west.
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The Old Ruminator
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From Mr Pedant. Always termed wrongly is a dramroad or dramway not a tramroad.
Please advise the difference OR
The Old Ruminator
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Oh dear I knew somebody would ask .
This is a typical dramway.
So drams are like big buckets on wheels drawn by horse whilst trams are usually self propelled. No doubt there are regional variations. Essentially a dram is a big cart rather than a closed vehicle like a tram.
This is a typical dramway.
So drams are like big buckets on wheels drawn by horse whilst trams are usually self propelled. No doubt there are regional variations. Essentially a dram is a big cart rather than a closed vehicle like a tram.
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The Old Ruminator
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This from chatgpt
A "dramway" is a historical term that refers to a type of tramway or rail system that was used in the past for the transportation of goods, particularly in mining and industrial areas. Dramways were typically narrow-gauge railways with tracks that were narrower than standard railway tracks, making them suitable for moving materials within mines, quarries, factories, and other industrial settings.
The term "dram" in "dramway" is related to the historical measurement unit I mentioned earlier, which is a small unit of volume. This is because dramways were often used to transport materials like coal, ore, and other goods within industrial facilities or from mines to processing plants. While they are not a common form of transportation today, dramways played a significant role in the industrial history of many regions, especially during the 18th and 19th centuries.
Dramways could be powered by various means, including horses, gravity, or early steam engines, depending on the technology available at the time and the specific needs of the industry. They were typically narrow, often featuring tracks that were narrower than the standard railway gauge, to facilitate their use within confined industrial spaces. Over time, as technology and transportation methods evolved, dramways were replaced by more modern and efficient forms of transportation.
A "dramway" is a historical term that refers to a type of tramway or rail system that was used in the past for the transportation of goods, particularly in mining and industrial areas. Dramways were typically narrow-gauge railways with tracks that were narrower than standard railway tracks, making them suitable for moving materials within mines, quarries, factories, and other industrial settings.
The term "dram" in "dramway" is related to the historical measurement unit I mentioned earlier, which is a small unit of volume. This is because dramways were often used to transport materials like coal, ore, and other goods within industrial facilities or from mines to processing plants. While they are not a common form of transportation today, dramways played a significant role in the industrial history of many regions, especially during the 18th and 19th centuries.
Dramways could be powered by various means, including horses, gravity, or early steam engines, depending on the technology available at the time and the specific needs of the industry. They were typically narrow, often featuring tracks that were narrower than the standard railway gauge, to facilitate their use within confined industrial spaces. Over time, as technology and transportation methods evolved, dramways were replaced by more modern and efficient forms of transportation.
cavingbiker
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So, were DRAMs a standard size (4 tons is quoted in the article on your link) or did they vary from area to area depending on the material being transported?
The Old Ruminator
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Oh dear. I should have kept quiet. I know little about the subject as you can see. I just thought that the terminology was wrong. Sense tells us that the drams would be varied in size. Much depended on the landscape and accessability I guess. Were they still drams if they went inside a mine ?
shotlighter
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In the S Wales coalfield, I believe that what I would call a pit tub, is refered to as a dram.
Stuart France
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Another way to get to this cave entrance avoiding all the residential property, albeit not a level walk, is along the Cambrian Way, south from the parking by the cattle grid at SO185168. This takes you past the aptly named Waun Ddu 'raised bog' and other parts of the Craig y Cilau National Nature Reserve, adding interest to your day.
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Waun Ddu, Llangattock (New LIFE for Welsh Raised Bogs) | IUCN UK Peatland Programme
Waun Ddu, Llangattock (New LIFE for Welsh Raised Bogs) |The IUCN UK Peatland Programme exists to promote peatland restoration in the UK and advocates the multiple benefits of peatlands through partnerships, strong science, sound policy and effective practice.
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