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RobinGriffiths
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Who then have to hold stock, and be responsible for the legal compliance of your product, so you have to provide them with the technical data for your products. Although there appear to be various wheezes to get around that, like appointing your own responsible legal entity in the EU that takes care of compliance on behalf of your distributor.
How do you think Chinese companies sell vast quantities of stuff into the European market? Virtually none of whom have any sort of legal entity here. And they work on basic WTO terms.
What they Chinese don?t do is sell agricultural produce in any quantity. Because that?s more difficult. And the EU is the world leader in coming up with (often BS) non-tariff barriers for food, it?s the no.1 source of trade friction. If the UK rolls over that stuff in July and applies it back to the EU then exports to the UK will nosedive from the EU. For most of their exporters only the UK will require vet certificates and stuff like that. So it will be interesting. And I expect comically dynamic.
Will do wonders for the obesity crisis.
What they Chinese don?t do is sell agricultural produce in any quantity. Because that?s more difficult. And the EU is the world leader in coming up with (often BS) non-tariff barriers for food, it?s the no.1 source of trade friction. If the UK rolls over that stuff in July and applies it back to the EU then exports to the UK will nosedive from the EU. For most of their exporters only the UK will require vet certificates and stuff like that. So it will be interesting. And I expect comically dynamic.
Will do wonders for the obesity crisis.
A_Northerner
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So all we have to do is alter the entire economic, cultural and geographical landscape of the UK to match China and we can start trading with the world again. Except China has already cornered the market on that one so we might be a bit behind, but I'm sure our national work ethic will catch up.
Why do people seem so fixated on the UK being a centre of manufacturing? We've been pretty world-leading in the fields of education and research for decades, and that's something that isn't limited by our size. We've shot ourselves in the foot on that one by cancelling things like the Erasmus scheme. We need to know our strengths and play to them rather than trying to resuscitate our long-dead industrial sector.
Why do people seem so fixated on the UK being a centre of manufacturing? We've been pretty world-leading in the fields of education and research for decades, and that's something that isn't limited by our size. We've shot ourselves in the foot on that one by cancelling things like the Erasmus scheme. We need to know our strengths and play to them rather than trying to resuscitate our long-dead industrial sector.
pwhole
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I'm not known for my patriotism, but I'm reasonably confident that we are the coolest, funniest and probably the smartest country on the planet, all things considered. And you're right, that's what we should be focusing on, as that's what most people around the world seem to think too. Or did until about four years ago anyway. Let them do some hard grafting for a while, making steel and shit - we've done it already.
However - all the people who would be working in the steelworks and down the pit aren't doing much of anything at the moment, and definitely won't be leading the information revolution. Chances are most of the jobs they did do won't be coming back anytime soon. But they must have something to do, or we've got trouble ahead.
However - all the people who would be working in the steelworks and down the pit aren't doing much of anything at the moment, and definitely won't be leading the information revolution. Chances are most of the jobs they did do won't be coming back anytime soon. But they must have something to do, or we've got trouble ahead.
Unlike a lot of the the youth element who were too bladdered to vote in 2016, I voted to Remain. I also didn?t elect someone to be leader of Labour who thought the EU was a neo-liberal plot and to be resisted. I mean, obviously it was set up by the CIA, but I think we can safely say I wouldn?t prefer the alternative.
But we are where we are, and it is not going to change. Neither party will want the UK in the EU in my lifetime, if ever.
After it?s usual rant about hating Brexit, this weeks Economist then proceed to lay into all that is wrong with the EU in the Europe section (pr?cis: quite a bit). Not the least of which was the failure to develop the Single Market for services, the UK?s main strength. It wouldn?t be overly paranoid to suggest this was no accident. But it also means leaving the SM was not such a problem. What goes around, comes around.
The UK leaving the EU is a bitter blow for the EU, but to say it is all the UK?s fault is not exactly the full story. There has been considerable cowardice and lack of vision in the last decade or two. And, if you want culprit number 1, it is Angela Merkel, who has left the EU in far worse shape than she found it. And Germany in not too shiny a shape either, I have a feeling they are doing an Intel.
But we are where we are, and it is not going to change. Neither party will want the UK in the EU in my lifetime, if ever.
After it?s usual rant about hating Brexit, this weeks Economist then proceed to lay into all that is wrong with the EU in the Europe section (pr?cis: quite a bit). Not the least of which was the failure to develop the Single Market for services, the UK?s main strength. It wouldn?t be overly paranoid to suggest this was no accident. But it also means leaving the SM was not such a problem. What goes around, comes around.
The UK leaving the EU is a bitter blow for the EU, but to say it is all the UK?s fault is not exactly the full story. There has been considerable cowardice and lack of vision in the last decade or two. And, if you want culprit number 1, it is Angela Merkel, who has left the EU in far worse shape than she found it. And Germany in not too shiny a shape either, I have a feeling they are doing an Intel.
tony from suffolk
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You gotta laugh, haven't you? Apparently, the mess we're now in with Brexit is all Germany's fault! I knew the Tory press would get round to this eventually - the Circle of Life is complete. The Brexit program's crashed -
JoshW
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alexchien said:
It?s possible to be pro-EU whilst accepting they have faults. This false dichotomy is the reason brexit is happening in the first place.
The EU has had a couple of stinkers recently for sure, but on the whole I think the UK would be better off in the EU, likewise the vaccine rollout under the UK gov?s oversight has been really very good, but that doesn?t stop them being utterly incompetent and inept at pretty much everything else they do.
RobinGriffiths
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It's certainly true that the EU have pissed on their chips on this one. An Executive overplaying their hand maybe?
pwhole
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Having just seen tomorrow's headlines you'd think we'd just won a war. That's the problem, and every time they do it makes me ashamed to be British. Really, the vaccine rollout is about the only competent thing this government have managed in a year, and most of the heavy lifting on that has been done by the scientists and doctors, not the cabinet. As JoshW pointed out, supporting the principles of the EU doesn't mean I support the current leaders of each constituent country or EU leadership, nor support any stupid decisions they might make - there's not a lot I can do about them, regardless, and they're just the same puffed-up arseholes we're stuck with, in many cases. But I would much prefer to be on the same side as them, rather than being in some ridiculous yah-boo 'war', for want of a better word - people are dying, and every f***-up means more people dying, and the quicker we all learn to co-operate the quicker we'll get this fixed.
Many leaders of large countries are currently in danger of losing the confidence of their citizens, and old-fashioned politics is breaking down rapidly under the pressure of the pandemic, and that may well be a good thing. Putin may find this out soon, and not even Robot Xi is immune. No matter how hard folks try to resist, single-nation systems are over.
Many leaders of large countries are currently in danger of losing the confidence of their citizens, and old-fashioned politics is breaking down rapidly under the pressure of the pandemic, and that may well be a good thing. Putin may find this out soon, and not even Robot Xi is immune. No matter how hard folks try to resist, single-nation systems are over.
We are currently trying to joining the CPTPP, which is pretty much all the people we actually get on with in the rest of the world. The Guardian is (as usual) puzzled. The light will come on when the US joins it (Trump withdrew, Biden says yes). Economically it will be about 50% bigger than the EU and be global in outlook. This is a trade group that will not demand rigid conformance.
More the UK?s sort of thing. This is also the anti-Chinese alliance, it includes the 5i?s and all the people who want help to resist China in SE Asia. The EU doesn?t give a shit what happens to these people. Having just come back from living in the region, this is not a trivial issue. It really is Imperialism.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/30/uk-to-apply-to-join-free-trade-pact-with-nations-on-other-side-of-world
More the UK?s sort of thing. This is also the anti-Chinese alliance, it includes the 5i?s and all the people who want help to resist China in SE Asia. The EU doesn?t give a shit what happens to these people. Having just come back from living in the region, this is not a trivial issue. It really is Imperialism.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/30/uk-to-apply-to-join-free-trade-pact-with-nations-on-other-side-of-world
Speleofish
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My (limited) understanding of the CPTPP is that it's similar to the original EEC without the desire (or potential) for political integration. Assuming the USA joins - and Biden seems keen - it should give us most of the advantages of the free trade deal we wanted to strike with the US without needing to give up our rights over the NHS, agriculture etc. So far, sounds good.
The idea of China joining would be worrying (and they have also expressed interest) but, as Fjell points out, the current members are hardly good friends with China.
The idea of China joining would be worrying (and they have also expressed interest) but, as Fjell points out, the current members are hardly good friends with China.
It?s at least a plan I can buy into.
We will settle something similar with the EU. We already have the basic trade deal, now we just need to move on from petty shite.
For many, this shit is real:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/31/leave-hong-kong-before-its-too-late-say-those-who-now-call-britain-home
If you think you need some immigrants, these guys are weapons grade. Will do wonders.
We are not going to become Singapore, HK is coming here.
We will settle something similar with the EU. We already have the basic trade deal, now we just need to move on from petty shite.
For many, this shit is real:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/31/leave-hong-kong-before-its-too-late-say-those-who-now-call-britain-home
If you think you need some immigrants, these guys are weapons grade. Will do wonders.
We are not going to become Singapore, HK is coming here.
aardgoose
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Trade analysts think the CPTPP doesn't have many real benefits to the UK. Trade is still dominated by distance i.e. most trade is with nearby companies, and recent research shows this also applies to services. CPTPP does little for services in any case, and we already have roll over FTA deals with 7 CPTPP countries. The idea that we will have exports competitive with much nearer and larger countries in the Pacific is English exceptionalism writ large.
The idea that we would gain access to US markets without reducing standards is just fantasy. It is suspected that the CPTPP is seen as a less toxic mechanism in reducing UK standards, without mentioning the US. The US agriculture lobby is very powerful.
Also the myth that FTAs allow 'free trade' is rather undone by the difficulties of trading with the EU with a basic FTA. FTAs have been sold as panaceas, whilst they are certainly not. CPTPP is also sold as trading with those nice white English speaking colonies, so plays well with the BNP lite government supporters (ignoring countries like Japan etc..).
It certainly won't compensate for the damage done by leaving the EU, and the on going destruction of our democracy.
The idea that we would gain access to US markets without reducing standards is just fantasy. It is suspected that the CPTPP is seen as a less toxic mechanism in reducing UK standards, without mentioning the US. The US agriculture lobby is very powerful.
Also the myth that FTAs allow 'free trade' is rather undone by the difficulties of trading with the EU with a basic FTA. FTAs have been sold as panaceas, whilst they are certainly not. CPTPP is also sold as trading with those nice white English speaking colonies, so plays well with the BNP lite government supporters (ignoring countries like Japan etc..).
It certainly won't compensate for the damage done by leaving the EU, and the on going destruction of our democracy.
I have lived in several of the countries and I can assure you they are full of [racist comments redacted] in the main. So no need to worry.
The Germans are still saying today they are going to send tanks for their British vaccine. Ironically, under von der Leyen as defence minister, the tanks were not maintained and are largely now ornaments.
I have high hopes for several million HK Chinese freshening up the UK gene pool. It def needs it.
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I have high hopes for several million HK Chinese freshening up the UK gene pool. It def needs it.
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