Brexit...

[PeteHall]

Leaving aside the obvious ethical problems of letting a state decide who can have a baby...

There are real problems with reduced fertility rates, such as ending up with a reduced working population to care for an increasing elderly population (which is only getting older due to better healthcare).

Many countries are already struggling with a decreasing population, eg: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53424726

While some of these countries are actively trying to encourage people to have more kids, others suggest immigration from countries with higher fertility is a better solution, but that has its own problems.

Those countries also need their own working populations to support their own economies and elderly. We cannot expect that we will always have a supply of willing immigrants queuing up to do the work that we either don't want to do, or are incapable of doing. As African countries develop, why would people leave to get a job cleaning up old white people in Europe who've soiled themselves again, when they could stay home and get a much better job???

This is something that we will see in our lifetimes and I don't look forward to it.

 

[pwhole]

That can all be stopped by us having lots more babies, of course - but I gather you've done your bit. I'm the one who should be ashamed, saving my sperm for some sort of ideal situation. But I genuinely thought we'd be on the moon by now

 

[tomferry]

Gosh around here their ent no shortage of kids all these young ones now days get pregnant at a party never see the dad again have the kid free house it?s a real mess 

 

[Brains]

We have shot ourselves in the foot, and now the right whingers complain they got what they wanted... apart from the ones that wanted it even more extreme! What for? The sovereignty we already had? Fewer immigrants? An empire we no longer have? Oh sorry - the Murdoch media empire wants your money in the pockets of the billionaires, and not to have to pay taxes. The corrupt government is doing that by the billions, together with possibly the worst COVID response in the world - and they have had some stiff competition there  :thumbsdown:

 

[Alex]

The ageing population is only a temporary problem though, eventually they will die and there will be more of a balance between the old and the new. It's also only a problem as that means they get out competed by other countries, as basically people = money.

So only a global solution to this will solve it, increase wealth in poorer countries to compensate/in exchange for decreased fertility.

This is why I like things like the EU, because we can only solve these problems together, not as separate entities. See topic back on track!

All this individualism only supporting your own country will eventually lead to man's demise. Regardless, we will solve the population problem but it will be through war famine and the other 2 horses! Hopefully this won't wipe us out entirely but we will be back to the stone age.

Unless we take up space travel in a big way and start spreading out.

 

[tomferry]

Ya lots of negative I see draws a lot of attention it?s why I stay away from social websites that ent mines and caves is not good fun gets people very depressed it turns not sociable . Many of them people also say covid is not real ?

13.5million people have been vaccinated so far and people say are government is crap and couldn?t run a corner shop don?t think so  :spank:

 

[mikem]

Vaccination is a no brainer, hardly a policy decision.

Neither is necessarily the result of overpopulation, despite your prediction.

It's not a guaranteed outcome, but both become more likely - it's why other animals have limiting factors outside their control.

 

[royfellows]

13.5million people have been vaccinated so far and people say are government is crap and couldn?t run a corner shop don?t think so  :spank:

Priceless.

 

[mikem]

The only way the number of pensioners is going to decrease is by increasing the retirement age.

20% of the population are under 18, another 20% are over 65, c.5% are in further education (10 years ago it was somewhat higher), unemployment is also about 5% - so less than half the population are already covering majority of tax bill - which is escalating rapidly with the cost of Brexit & covid...

 

[Robert Scott]

I'll point out that being over 65 does not mean you do not pay income tax.

 

[royfellows]

I'll point out that being over 65 does not mean you do not pay income tax.

Correct. All income is taxable.

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Much as it pains me me to insert a link to a Sun article, here's an interesting Trucker's Diary.  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13971620/covid-checks-red-tape-eu-hell-for-lorry-drivers/

 

[Alex]

The vaccinations is the only thing they got right (sort of) as it turns out the vaccine may not actually help, if the new strains spread. They got one thing right so does that mean we should forgive them now for all the past mistakes 110+k deaths and extra lock-downs because of earlier cockups?

Should we forgive, contracts awarded to best mates, often costing us the tax payer a lot more money, playing golf rather than attending meetings and generally not taking it seriously, not closing borders etc ect. I am sure Brains could find lots of memes for that too

I agree with you on one thing though, going down a mine sand caves certainly does take your mind off of this shits-show, if that's what you are referring to, though I am not clear what your point is "Down and below" on that. I can't wait until I can hide down a cave, I might move there!

 

[Duck ditch]

The best way to slow population growth is to educate women.  Actually I think it?s working as more and more countries can afford and are able and willing to educate girls.  Religion is the main blocker to achieving this.  Followed by poverty. 

 

[Alex]

Educating a 100% of your population is a win-win no matter how you look at it. I agree the sooner we can get rid of religion the better, it served it's purpose, other than making us not think our entire existence is pointless as you would just completely cease to exist if you die... okay, I need a bible stat!

 

[Brains]

One more meme just for Alex... I really cant be bothered putting all the points into text!

NB vaccine roll out is easier if you dont have to go through all the data but just rubber stamp it, and then dont honour export contracts on said vaccines...

 

[tomferry]

The vaccinations is the only thing they got right (sort of) as it turns out the vaccine may not actually help, if the new strains spread. They got one thing right so does that mean we should forgive them now for all the past mistakes 110+k deaths and extra lock-downs because of earlier cockups?

Should we forgive, contracts awarded to best mates, often costing us the tax payer a lot more money, playing golf rather than attending meetings and generally not taking it seriously, not closing borders etc ect. I am sure Brains could find lots of memes for that too

I agree with you on one thing though, going down a mine sand caves certainly does take your mind off of this shits-show, if that's what you are referring to, though I am not clear what your point is "Down and below" on that. I can't wait until I can hide down a cave, I might move there!

The 110k deaths we certainly cannot forget or accept this I agree completely as for the golf I don?t play witch hunting slight news press crap end of the day slight debates like this you can have about anything am sure you agree ,
Back to the 110k deaths I strongly believe that our figure is obviously correct but I think ?certain ? countries have fibbed on theirs which is why ours looks bad of course it is terrible ! I understand that.

Apologies I meant I only use mine and cave websites I don?t have social media at all as it?s to gloom and doom for me mate , but yes going underground when aloud certainly keeps the brain active away from covid ! And other depressing rubbish

 

[al]

Population growth may have been a factor in covid (and climate change), but it certainly isn't the only factor - and, lets face it, viruses don't even need a human population of any size to become a problem.

And addressing population growth at the moment would be like locking the stable door well after the horse had bolted. If it were possible, and you'd stopped all human reproduction in, say, January 2019, it wouldn't have had any effect on the covid issue. Stopping all air traffic, on the other hand, would probably have helped a lot.

 

[al]

I think ?certain ? countries have fibbed on theirs which is why ours looks bad of course it is terrible !

But we have world-beating fibbers in this country, surely? It's the one thing this governmrent can excel at! 

 

[mikem]

& sharing the wealth across all the world tomorrow wouldn't reduce population levels for at least the next 50 years, as average lifespan would increase proportionally.