Browns Folly Quarry / Mine - ongoing deliberate destruction

[Brains]

From AN

Simon
Brains - elsewhere wrote:

Disappointing as AN claims to hold the moral high ground for online debate...

AN doesn't claim anything of the sort.

it's simply a case that most of the posters on here keep things civil. As everybody has done on this thread.

Wrist slap duly noted, apologies offered 

 

[Paul976]

Jesus,  you guys have no clue who's doing this!
I've e been keeping abreast of the various debates on various forums, and all anyone seems to be doing is jumping on new folk who are trying to get in on the discussion, or people known to disagree with Uncle Brians methods.

Biggest joke is that most of this discussion is conjecture and down right lies! Nobody 'nearly' caught anyone after the attack on Browns because those who did it left while you were all tucked up in bed.

Here's something for you to mull over; maybe,  just maybe, those who carried out the attack are amongst you, actively condemning the vandalism.

 

[Brains]

You may well be right - there is a list of names but proof is something else.
So how do you think we should progress with getting the decorators to stop spending money on paint etc?
Please, enlighten us

 

[Carbide1]

Here's something for you to mull over; maybe,  just maybe, those who carried out the attack are amongst you, actively condemning the vandalism.

Are you suggesting there may be one or more agent provocateurs embedded in UKC?

 

[Wayland Smith]

Sleeper agents waiting to be activated by a code word or phrase!

The Wiltshire Winter Soldier! 

 

[royfellows]

I have had enough of this, I am going to send Brian one of my lamps.

The trouble is that then there would be Geneva Convention and human rights issues.

 

[Brains]

Police are reported to be looking for a notorious lamp manufacturer that is thought to be responsible for the fiery deaths of trolls and vandals   

 

[Brains]

Just heard that about the same time the current attack happend in Browns, the same crew were in Swan Mine laying down a mess of arrows and painting the extant crane, including its hook and chain. Given this crane is barely standing and the top bearing is rotten, this seems like it will be a feature until the crane collapses. Forensicly they are like peas in a pod, so where next if WE dont persuade them to desist. Once again people elsewhere (AN) are blaming the caretaker but that doesnt wash when other sites are falling under the cosh 

 

[NewStuff]

Just heard that about the same time the current attack happend in Browns, the same crew were in Swan Mine laying down a mess of arrows and painting the extant crane, including its hook and chain. Given this crane is barely standing and the top bearing is rotten, this seems like it will be a feature until the crane collapses. Forensicly they are like peas in a pod, so where next if WE dont persuade them to desist. Once again people elsewhere (AN) are blaming the caretaker but that doesnt wash when other sites are falling under the cosh 

He is, partially, to blame. Granted, the response is way, way, way over the top and the perpetrators are, (sorry Jane) despicable little shits, but he has to bear a portion of responsibility as well.

 

[Brains]

CtrlC, CtrlV so much easier than writing it out myself. Well said Peter

NewStuff wrote

Peter Burgess wrote:

Suggesting that the victim of bullying is somehow to blame for what happens to him is a bit like blaming a rape victim for what happens because they "encouraged" it. You can claim that both parties have not acted properly, fair enough, and perhaps a degree of opinion comes into play there, but the only person to blame for a harmful act is the person who conducts it. To suggest otherwise legitimises the very thing that needs to stop.

I normally play nice and civil on AN, but you can **** off comparing those shenanigans with rape. You're a dickhead. I don't care who that offends or if I get banned, that's a monumentally ******* retarded statement to make.

It's clearly been stated that while people understand *why* there was retribution, that it was totally and utterly out of order and they do not condone it. You can't wash Brian whiter than white because he isn't. You seem to fail to understand that both sides are wrong, despite it being stated, repeatedly, why they are wrong.

That goes for you too, johnny caernarfon.

 

[NewStuff]

I'm not the man to play that game with. I have said to Jane that I'll play nice, but you're pushing it.

I stand by what I have said, irrespective that it was on a totally different forum. Now stop being a silly twat, okay kiddo?

 

[Brains]

Strange, not been called kiddo in a long time, I shall take that as a compliment. Thank you, I feel much younger now. This isnt about you, or me, but about the damage at Browns and now Swan as well. Games are things like Dominos or darts, not trying to protect our delicate sites

rBack to the subject of vandals and trolls deliberately trashing out heritage, can we come up with a message to send them along the lines of please desist, your actions are not acceptable to us?
Violence will only beget violence, but reasoned pressure and education might. Perhaps we can all help push that instead?

 

[NewStuff]

Stop trying to be clever, because you're not. I call you kiddo, because you are acting like a child. You know perfectly well, being a long time member, that the owners ofgthis site have asked for the language to be curbed, and yet you pasted it in from a totally different site.

I have said, quite clearly, that the response to Brian doing silly things in the mine is unacceptable, over the top and vindinctive, he's an old man. As you obviously read both forums, go read it again, and get a clue. My issue lies with the lot that are painting Brian in a "whiter than white" manner. The first step to both sides stepping down is both sides accepting they have to accept blame. Brian is not being helped by his cheerleading section with his obvious difficulties in that direction.

 

[droid]

I can see what Peter is getting at, and I consider it a valid allusion. Up to a point.....

BUT: there has to be an element of 'self-preservation' in all this. And Brian is, possibly unknowingly, putting himself in a very vulnerable position.

Some people do things to get a reaction: it is very possible that the perpetrators of the Browns Folly nonsense have seen the fuss and moved on to provoke further reaction. So it might already have moved on from baiting Brian.

So of all the analyses of this situation I've read on both forums, NewStuff's is probably the nearest to the truth of the situation.

 

[Brains]

Your copied post was censored - so no worries there. If any blame comes from the language that was censored, then it should come to me as I posted it
You were called out by Peter on your victim blaming and I agree with that - he said it better than me hence the copy.

We need to get a united front of opposition to the vandalism and bullying. It is not about you or me, but Browns and Swan.

The vandals must be in no doubt they are unwanted and unwelcome. They are the number one threat. Sort them out or there will be nothing left to enjoy.

 

[NewStuff]

Your copied post was censored - so no worries there. If any blame comes from the language that was censored, then it should come to me as I posted it
You were called out by Peter on your victim blaming and I agree with that - he said it better than me hence the copy.

We need to get a united front of opposition to the vandalism and bullying. It is not about you or me, but Browns and Swan.

The vandals must be in no doubt they are unwanted and unwelcome. They are the number one threat. Sort them out or there will be nothing left to enjoy.

And by the same token, nothing original will be if Brian is left to his devices. If there is a line drawn, then it has to apply to everyone. Who is going to "enforce" that line, and who decides where it is?

Please tell me though, seeing as you agree with Peter... how does Rape compare with spraypaint in a mine?  I'm kinda puzzled, as I thought they were totally different and unrelated things. Maybe I'm just a bit dense, who knows.

 

[Brains]

The point being made is that to blame the victim is wrong, The perpetrator is responsible for the crime. Thats it, not a hard concept

The few remaining artefacts are carefully hidden within the quarry to prevent their theft or destruction by the decorators, and great efforts are made to salvage the original miners writings and drawings where possible. The vandals go out of the way to try and destroy as much as they can. There is a world of difference between saving the features and destroying them.

 

[NewStuff]

The point being made is that to blame the victim is wrong, The perpetrator is responsible for the crime. Thats it, not a hard concept

The few remaining artefacts are carefully hidden within the quarry to prevent their theft or destruction by the decorators, and great efforts are made to salvage the original miners writings and drawings where possible. The vandals go out of the way to try and destroy as much as they can. There is a world of difference between saving the features and destroying them.

You are perpetuating the very problem that is happening in the quarry, and is the cause of this discussion.  It's all the fault of the "yobs" as far as you are concerned, Brian is just trying to tidy it up. It's not Brian's fault. At one point, this was true, but that was a long time ago.  It's not victim blaming, it's being an adult.

I can see trying to reason with you isn't going anywhere, so I'll place you in the same category I reserve for religious fanatics and people exhibiting the behaviour reported by Dunning-Kruger.

 

[Brains]

The purpose of this thread is the deliberate vandalism in both Browns and Swan by an organised group of louts who seek to bully a well meaning individual.
You are acting as an apologist for them by saying it isnt their fault.
Oh well perhaps we should just go crawling round the local tip at night and call it exploring.
I think the quary, its features, flora and fauna are worth fighting for.

 

[droid]

Brains: either your reading of posts is inaccurate, or your comprehension is faulty.

NewStuff has consistently condemned the bullying of an old man and the destruction of artifacts.

That isn't being an apologist.

Your inability to see the 'big picture' and have any sense of compromise or reality is part of the problem with this debate.