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Covid 19

Speleofish said:
It might be worth asking your local vaccination centre if you can be on their standby list for spare doses (most places have a few each day) - that's how I'm hoping to get mine.
Good idea, but I'm a bit stuck as my trust will only give first doses on the standby list. It sounds as though you should be able to get yours fairly quick though. I know my manager is doing her best to get me and the others in for the 2nd jab but she's just getting jobsworths who quote policy instead of thinking logically.
Best of luck!
 
There are things and people I miss about the NHS... then again, there are many that I don't! Risk averse, process-driven bureaucrats fall firmly into the second category.
 
Don?t knock managers who try and keep you alive. There are alternate approaches you won't like so much.
 
Managers in any location do not have leeway to give a second jab to anyone at the moment beyond incidental usage. If people don?t stick to the tiers there will be chaos.

If your employer, as a matter of HSE policy, says you need to stay home, that is their decision. They could ask you come in with one jab, but are not. They have to fill the staffing gap, not the employee. I imagine they are well aware of the consequences because someone will be screaming at them about lack of staff.

Personally I find killing people at work to be a sobering experience. Everyone deserves to go home at night to their kids from their place of work.
 
It's Marina Hyde-day again, and this time we get both Brexit and Covid in one gripping episode, with particular reference to one Desmond Swayne, MP:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/29/nationalism-vaccine-mutation-uk-eu

Despite being asked to apologise and retract his entirely inaccurate and dangerous nonsense by both Michael Gove and Priti Patel this week, Desmond has blithely refused. As he put it while appearing on the radio show of fellow lockdown sceptic Julia Hartley-Brewer: ?We are getting very close to thought crime.? No we?re not, you daft snowflake. We?re not even in the same landmass as thought crime. We have, however, pulled in at the station of malevolent imbecility, where you have left the train in the company of a Holocaust denier, Piers Corbyn and people who think Bill Gates got the jab so he can track himself. In short, you?re a Windsor-knotted, contrast-collared conspiracy frotter with a grasp of science inferior to even Gwyneth Paltrow?s and sideburns that read like a come-and-get-me-plea to the sex offenders? register. I hope I?ve got close to thought crime there ? if not, hit me up. I have more.

 
Finally some clarity. Honestly it annoys some of the crap that has been pumped out until now.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/29/we-had-to-go-it-alone-how-the-uk-got-ahead-in-the-covid-vaccine-race
 
At this rate you will be able to merge the covid and Brexit threads.

This is probably the most astonishing loss of self control I have ever seen from the EU. On top of their AZ hissy fit, they have just completely pointlessly invoked Article 16 in Northern Ireland to apparently prevent the UK smuggling precious bodily fluids into the UK. That means a hard border. The DUP are wetting themselves. The Irish PM is on the phone as we speak to the Valkyrie trying to explain why this seems just a teeny bit a bad idea.

Meanwhile, I read in Die Welt that the German parliament is extremely upset the EMA fully approved the AZ vaccine. They thought they had made it very clear the day before what the answer was.

Bring back Kohl, all is forgiven. The little people are in charge, and I don?t just mean Macron.
 
Given that it is the EU Commission that has made the recent own-goals, and the Commissioners are directly appointed by national governments, those national governments have no-one to blame but themselves...

Power to the (EU) Parliament :)
 
They don't want anyone else to leave, as the whole thing is a house of cards, so making it as hard as possible. Anyway, we are wandering somewhat off topic now...
 
Looks like Astro Zeneca are filling the UK order over the EU order.  The UK are paying far more per jab so why wouldn?t they.  Astro Zeneca hold all the cards.  So the UK have to weigh up how much we want to piss off the EU.  It could backfire badly. 

What?s the next step? 
Open up slightly again once the R rate gets below 1.  Closing down again when it rises above 1.?
Or is it vaccinate enough people and open up.  Keep a strict control of people entering Britain?
Something else?
 
The problem with R rate is that without testing everyone they still have only a vague idea of what the actual value is. It is quite useful for comparison with previous figures though.
 
The sensible thing to do is to wait until most of the over 50s and highly vulnerable are vaccinated before opening up properly, as it's the 50-70 year age group who make up the majority of ICU patients (see a previous post several pages ago), and it's the pressure on ICU that is crippling the NHS. This should be achievable by late march/early April. There will still be younger patients who become extremely ill, some of whom will die but the numbers should be far, far fewer than now and more akin to a 'normal' 'flu season.

This may sound hard-hearted but the alternative is to stay locked down till every adult has been vaccinated, which would mean extending the misery into the autumn, causing further social and economic damage which would arguably be even more damaging to the country as a whole.

It should, however, be possible to re-open schools before all the 50 year olds have been vaccinated, provided the numbers have come down. However, I fear that the government will succumb to a mixture of optimism and far-right pressure and, once again, open too soon.

The other difficulty with trying to vaccinate the whole adult population before relaxing is that we'll come under increasing pressure to give up vaccines to low-income countries who are really, really suffering. I think it's morally justifiable to insist on vaccinating our vulnerable population as we've been hit harder than almost any other country (only Belgium, Slovenia and Czechia have done worse [I don't count Gibraltar and San Marino]). However, at some point it's going to get a little difficult to say to the rest of the world that we're unwilling to help - especially as we'll want to make friends with them and do trade deals.
 
AstraZeneca and partners are apparently already up to 100 million doses a month for the Oxford vaccine, less than 10% of which is coming to the UK. And being delivered at cost. And we have stumped up a billion already to buy the stuff for others. No country is doing more than the UK. Certainly not the EU.
 
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