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Hope that tomato aint carcenogenic Mr J! :wink:
tiggs said:I find that really worrying, that people with "qualifications" STILL dont have a clue, and that people with qualifications are deemed to be preferable to those who have experience but no certificate, surely someone who has experience, and a sensible attitude has to be more valuable down a cave than someone who has a certificate but no sense. If i let my three kids down a cave i would expect the person with them had enough experience and knowledge of caving to get them out safely, certificate or no certificate.[RANT]
When CLA first started I was asked by a training company I worked for to 'nurse maid' a couple of young leaders who had just received their certificates (i.e. were now more qualified than me!), whilst they took a group on the Giants round trip. They did nothing to enthuse the group about the trip, the formations they were seeing, or the activity of caving. They then proceeded to get lost on three occassions, before I took over the leading of the trip.
When I challenged a Director of the company later, I was told "but you must understand that we have to be seen to employ qualified instructors"
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Qualifications are not legally necessary to lead even paying groups.
Ive herd this week that there is going to be a complete overhall of caving restricments/recondmations for scouts
Dave H said:Quite so, but the problems for Outdoor Persuit companies is not their knowing if an instructor is good - the piece of paper is required by the insurance companies. And here we get back to the knub of half of the problems in modern day life
Well said!This is why I applaud organisations like the Scouts who will actually go out and do stuff often against a lot of stereotypical b**ls**t.
As far as a lot of places are concerned they are scared of being sued for any (even minor) accidents.. We all know Outdoor Ed. is good and beneficial for kids - it even says so in various reports, as the recent one below:Lots of centres are busy, but it will be one teacher who has an interest that will carry the whole thing forward. Until Outdoor Ed is on the National Curric. then it'll never happen.
:tom:I disclaimed!!! a sign of the times eh?
Until Outdoor Ed is on the National Curric. then it'll never happen.
Girls can of course now join the Scouts.And that wasn't for girsl
Dave H said:Girls can of course now join the Scouts.And that wasn't for girsl
I was leading Scouts over the weekend, with a number of other very experienced leaders. We are very much split into two groups - those that can put up with the politics of Scouts (and lead troops) and those of us who can't (and just take Scouts caving)! The politics guys have a strong feeling from the meetings they have been to that CLC certification is going to be made a requirement of getting the form C in the future.