RegisteredRopeCutter
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Doing titan soon any thoughts on my SRT kit
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Spaniel on crack
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Looks sound only thing id Sugest is untwisting your cows tails may affect there strength 
RegisteredRopeCutter
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Ahh thanks I didn’t even know twists would do that xLooks sound only thing id Sugest is untwisting your cows tails may affect there strength
Cantclimbtom
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IMHO... with the exception of the weird Petzl spelegyca cowstail thing made from sewn tape (which has ripable stitches to absorb energy), you should never ever ever, have cows tails made from a tape/sling.
If you have even the tiniest "fall" onto them, even 1 foot which is suddenly sitting down heavily unexpectedly not an actual fall. you could jar your back. A fall factor of anything significant is really bad news. But you can make your own cowstail much more safely from some dynamic rope, even old rope would be better than "good" tape.
Not sure about the 1 sling trying to be 2 cows tails, can't see that working well other than 2 clip in to the same thing, better off 2 separate ones. Again you need a bit of rope (dynamic) really
Edit: The weird petzl thing I mentioned
If you have even the tiniest "fall" onto them, even 1 foot which is suddenly sitting down heavily unexpectedly not an actual fall. you could jar your back. A fall factor of anything significant is really bad news. But you can make your own cowstail much more safely from some dynamic rope, even old rope would be better than "good" tape.
Not sure about the 1 sling trying to be 2 cows tails, can't see that working well other than 2 clip in to the same thing, better off 2 separate ones. Again you need a bit of rope (dynamic) really
Edit: The weird petzl thing I mentioned
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It looks as if your main harness krab, that your simple, cowstails and chest ascender are attached to, is an ordinary screwgate. They are only intended to be loaded along their length, not across their width. You should have a D shape one such as a Petzl Omni or a D maillon that's designed to take a cross load.
I can't quite see in the photo, but does the krab that attaches your simple have a screwgate?
I can't quite see in the photo, but does the krab that attaches your simple have a screwgate?
Cantclimbtom
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I'd put that HMS screwgate the other way round if you have to use it (rather than ChrisB suggestion) with the screwgate outwards, just if you climb a rope the chest ascender might keep catching at the gate and clanging every time you sit down which will at the least be irritating!
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JoshW
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I don’t think this is true, it would be great if you could point me in the direction of any documentation that confirms this?
I think you’re confusing the idea of an energy absorbing lanyard and these things
Spaniel on crack
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Ive used a sling as cows tails as a fresher forgot theres so gave them mine. We werent doing anything massively technicaly or hard but i sepnt a good while swinging round and did take a small slip on them and they were fine. Apart from not doing the knots correctly so they were accedently adjustable id use them again if i needed to
LadyMud
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Please - do do Titan
Derbyshire Cave Rescue don't get many real call-outs, so they might enjoy hauling you out of Titan
Cantclimbtom
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Starless River describe it as follows "...Tape webbing cowstails, whose main advantage is a lower profile than knotted rope models. Short cowstail is 32cm, long cowstail is 58cm long. The Spelegyca is made with stitching that rips in the event of significant shock loading, so that it performs in a way similar to a dynamic rope.
Comes with the rubber ‘String’ device which protects the ends of the lanyards from abrasion and keeps karabiners aligned correctly.
Never to be used as a Via Ferrata lanyard!..."
Petzl Spelegyca - Starless River
Tape webbing cowstails, whose main advantage is a lower profile than knotted rope models. Short cowstail is 32cm, long cowstail is 58cm long. The Spelegyca is made with stitching that rips in the event of significant shock loading, so that it performs in a way similar to a dynamic rope. Comes...
starlessriver.com
Petzl doesn't mention this. Not sure if the description above is old and Petzl no longer state this as not meeting energy absorbing CE standards they can't. Or if the Starless River description is wrong? I assume it's old not wrong?
Loki
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You’ll get DOWN titan okView attachment 19718I’m doing titan for the first time soon and decided to finally put my own SRT kit together for it. I know titans big and my gears not perfect. Any suggestions would appreciated and Ik my breaking crabs rusty
cap n chris
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Assuming it's not April 1st already, seek professional training. https://www.caveinstructor.org.uk/
They'll condemn your kit and potentially save your life.
They'll condemn your kit and potentially save your life.
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wellyjen
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Can't be. Troll stopped making caving specific gear years ago.I’m kind of assuming this is a troll account, purely based on those totally unusable cowstails
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