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[maxf]

At last we have a sensible post. 
Who are these 'reporters' at Darkness Below who are trying to stir up trouble? 

It's quite telling that they are banned from here are they not ?

 

[NewStuff]

It's quite telling that they had to start their own propaganda machine to try to keep the status quo. As said, that site is well known for shenanigans, as are some of the people behind it.

 

[mikem]

You don't know who pointed them in the direction of the story - it seems to be more than coincidence that it's come to fore just when a 5 year ban is coming to it's end... However, this thread has done far more to bring it to people's attention than the original report!

 

[Scrappycaver]

Following the positive response on this thread I've been asked if Tony will kindly pass on the relevant phone numbers/ address to make requests for future digs.

Our request was sent to, and approved by, the Brecon Beacons NPA - I will find out the exact contact details. However please note that our dig is not on the SSSI and therefore not subject to the NRW restrictions outlined by Stuart above. The BBNPA act as agents for the landowner, Welsh Water, and consulted WW as well.

YES. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary. DYOCAP are not in any position to answer for the landowner or myself.

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Tony..thanks for the information . Is it best to get permission prior to digging as I believe unless I'm mistaken you had already illegally been digging it...obviously 'blissfully ignorant'  AGAIN after such a unique case nearby. And did not the national parks grill it and remove scaffolding for public safety?? I'm pretty sure it was in the cambrian caving news . It may not be in a SSSI but it was PRIVATE land.

No, it was not dug illegally. It was dug, the same as everything else up there always has been, in the knowledge that cavers have always poked at stuff on that hill and no-one was ever bothered. Until the unfortunate events detailed above, which completely changed everything. The BBNPA and NRW suddenly started taking notice and the matter was highlighted in a Cambrian Caving Council Newsletter, in a piece co-authored by a BBNPA rep and Stuart France. We then obtained verbal permission to 'have a look' with a view to ascertaining whether a formal proposal for permission was worthwhile. Once the site looked interesting we held off, submitted the proposal and were given the go-ahead.

If you are going to sling mud on here, and start accusing me of illegal digging, perhaps you ought to make it clear what permissions are in place for the project/s you are currently working on? 

I'm only caving Tony.. you're the digger. I was just highlighting that you had already dug /scaffolded another shaft without seeking the concent of the national parks and Welsh water.

You haven't answered my question. What permissions are in place for your project/s? We didn't dig anything without consent. As outlined above.

To answer your question, you had already dug it in 2017 using scaffolding to drive a shaft down. This was a year before you got verbal permission to visually look !
It's like locking the stable door after the horse has bolted ...
My point being is that after the illegal dig in 2014 where permission was granted lessons haven't been learnt by leading role models.


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[cap n chris]

It's quite telling that they had to start their own propaganda machine to try to keep the status quo. As said, that site is well known for shenanigans, as are some of the people behind it.

Is this referring to UKC or DB? the

 

[NewStuff]

It's quite telling that they had to start their own propaganda machine to try to keep the status quo. As said, that site is well known for shenanigans, as are some of the people behind it.

Is this referring to UKC or DB? the

I genuinely can't tell if you're retarded, drunk, or just trolling, again, at this point.

 

[Badlad]

[admin]locking topic for a bit as it's descending fast. [/admin]