That was about the only humorous bit in that article. Not a regular contributor methinks.NewStuff said:Talking of Dankness Below...
"We don't want any of your fucking about", they continued, "we will fill the fucking thing with plastic fucking dinosaurs"
Whoever writes it needs to take a bow. It's lovely.
Scrappycaver said:Can I just clarify that the landowner DID NOT come close to prosecution ,this is false information. Short of the nrw gaining access from the farm no other contact was ever made. It was left to Mark Wilding to follow. APSOLUTLY no warnings or even advice were given to anyone!
Scrappycaver said:Following the positive response on this thread I've been asked if Tony will kindly pass on the relevant phone numbers/ address to make requests for future digs.
YES. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary. DYOCAP are not in any position to answer for the landowner or myself.Tony_B said:Scrappycaver said:Following the positive response on this thread I've been asked if Tony will kindly pass on the relevant phone numbers/ address to make requests for future digs.
Our request was sent to, and approved by, the Brecon Beacons NPA - I will find out the exact contact details. However please note that our dig is not on the SSSI and therefore not subject to the NRW restrictions outlined by Stuart above. The BBNPA act as agents for the landowner, Welsh Water, and consulted WW as well.
YES. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary. DYOCAP are not in any position to answer for the landowner or myself.Tony_B said:Scrappycaver said:Can I just clarify that the landowner DID NOT come close to prosecution ,this is false information. Short of the nrw gaining access from the farm no other contact was ever made. It was left to Mark Wilding to follow. APSOLUTLY no warnings or even advice were given to anyone!
In which case, the information given by representatives of the NRW to the DYO CAP is incorrect.
Tony..thanks for the information . Is it best to get permission prior to digging as I believe unless I'm mistaken you had already illegally been digging it...obviously 'blissfully ignorant' AGAIN after such a unique case nearby. And did not the national parks grill it and remove scaffolding for public safety?? I'm pretty sure it was in the cambrian caving news . It may not be in a SSSI but it was PRIVATE land.Scrappycaver said:YES. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary. DYOCAP are not in any position to answer for the landowner or myself.Tony_B said:Scrappycaver said:Following the positive response on this thread I've been asked if Tony will kindly pass on the relevant phone numbers/ address to make requests for future digs.
Our request was sent to, and approved by, the Brecon Beacons NPA - I will find out the exact contact details. However please note that our dig is not on the SSSI and therefore not subject to the NRW restrictions outlined by Stuart above. The BBNPA act as agents for the landowner, Welsh Water, and consulted WW as well.
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No, it was not dug illegally. It was dug, the same as everything else up there always has been, in the knowledge that cavers have always poked at stuff on that hill and no-one was ever bothered. Until the unfortunate events detailed above, which completely changed everything. The BBNPA and NRW suddenly started taking notice and the matter was highlighted in a Cambrian Caving Council Newsletter, in a piece co-authored by a BBNPA rep and Stuart France. We then obtained verbal permission to 'have a look' with a view to ascertaining whether a formal proposal for permission was worthwhile. Once the site looked interesting we held off, submitted the proposal and were given the go-ahead.Scrappycaver said:Tony..thanks for the information . Is it best to get permission prior to digging as I believe unless I'm mistaken you had already illegally been digging it...obviously 'blissfully ignorant' AGAIN after such a unique case nearby. And did not the national parks grill it and remove scaffolding for public safety?? I'm pretty sure it was in the cambrian caving news . It may not be in a SSSI but it was PRIVATE land.Scrappycaver said:YES. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary. DYOCAP are not in any position to answer for the landowner or myself.Tony_B said:Scrappycaver said:Following the positive response on this thread I've been asked if Tony will kindly pass on the relevant phone numbers/ address to make requests for future digs.
Our request was sent to, and approved by, the Brecon Beacons NPA - I will find out the exact contact details. However please note that our dig is not on the SSSI and therefore not subject to the NRW restrictions outlined by Stuart above. The BBNPA act as agents for the landowner, Welsh Water, and consulted WW as well.
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thomasr said:All very interesting reading and much respect for all the research done I feel though a dictionary of all these abrieveated bodies and terms would be of use to the lazy amongst us
Scrappycaver said:.And did not the national parks grill it and remove scaffolding for public safety?? I'm pretty sure it was in the cambrian caving news.
I'm only caving Tony.. you're the digger. I was just highlighting that you had already dug /scaffolded another shaft without seeking the concent of the national parks and Welsh water.Tony_B said:No, it was not dug illegally. It was dug, the same as everything else up there always has been, in the knowledge that cavers have always poked at stuff on that hill and no-one was ever bothered. Until the unfortunate events detailed above, which completely changed everything. The BBNPA and NRW suddenly started taking notice and the matter was highlighted in a Cambrian Caving Council Newsletter, in a piece co-authored by a BBNPA rep and Stuart France. We then obtained verbal permission to 'have a look' with a view to ascertaining whether a formal proposal for permission was worthwhile. Once the site looked interesting we held off, submitted the proposal and were given the go-ahead.Scrappycaver said:Tony..thanks for the information . Is it best to get permission prior to digging as I believe unless I'm mistaken you had already illegally been digging it...obviously 'blissfully ignorant' AGAIN after such a unique case nearby. And did not the national parks grill it and remove scaffolding for public safety?? I'm pretty sure it was in the cambrian caving news . It may not be in a SSSI but it was PRIVATE land.Scrappycaver said:YES. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary. DYOCAP are not in any position to answer for the landowner or myself.Tony_B said:Scrappycaver said:Following the positive response on this thread I've been asked if Tony will kindly pass on the relevant phone numbers/ address to make requests for future digs.
Our request was sent to, and approved by, the Brecon Beacons NPA - I will find out the exact contact details. However please note that our dig is not on the SSSI and therefore not subject to the NRW restrictions outlined by Stuart above. The BBNPA act as agents for the landowner, Welsh Water, and consulted WW as well.
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If you are going to sling mud on here, and start accusing me of illegal digging, perhaps you ought to make it clear what permissions are in place for the project/s you are currently working on?
Scrappycaver said:I'm only caving Tony.. you're the digger. I was just highlighting that you had already dug /scaffolded another shaft without seeking the concent of the national parks and Welsh water.Tony_B said:No, it was not dug illegally. It was dug, the same as everything else up there always has been, in the knowledge that cavers have always poked at stuff on that hill and no-one was ever bothered. Until the unfortunate events detailed above, which completely changed everything. The BBNPA and NRW suddenly started taking notice and the matter was highlighted in a Cambrian Caving Council Newsletter, in a piece co-authored by a BBNPA rep and Stuart France. We then obtained verbal permission to 'have a look' with a view to ascertaining whether a formal proposal for permission was worthwhile. Once the site looked interesting we held off, submitted the proposal and were given the go-ahead.Scrappycaver said:Tony..thanks for the information . Is it best to get permission prior to digging as I believe unless I'm mistaken you had already illegally been digging it...obviously 'blissfully ignorant' AGAIN after such a unique case nearby. And did not the national parks grill it and remove scaffolding for public safety?? I'm pretty sure it was in the cambrian caving news . It may not be in a SSSI but it was PRIVATE land.Scrappycaver said:YES. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary. DYOCAP are not in any position to answer for the landowner or myself.Tony_B said:Scrappycaver said:Following the positive response on this thread I've been asked if Tony will kindly pass on the relevant phone numbers/ address to make requests for future digs.
Our request was sent to, and approved by, the Brecon Beacons NPA - I will find out the exact contact details. However please note that our dig is not on the SSSI and therefore not subject to the NRW restrictions outlined by Stuart above. The BBNPA act as agents for the landowner, Welsh Water, and consulted WW as well.
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If you are going to sling mud on here, and start accusing me of illegal digging, perhaps you ought to make it clear what permissions are in place for the project/s you are currently working on?
Badlad said:Guys, please. What is going on with Welsh caving. No more open warfare. Let's see more level heads and less stirring please
Badlad said:Guys, please. What is going on with Welsh caving. No more open warfare. Let's see more level heads and less stirring please