Fod Chairman implys c**tplaces damaged a gate and sprayed it

[Mine Explorer]

No visit was arranged. Just one Visit was made (the first and only) by the user who took the photo. A discussion of 'oh that looks interesting must see that' was made and nothing else happened.

I'm afriad the outside world does not know that. To me it looks as if a trip was arranged To quote:

"The arrangements for the Saturday trip will be meet at 10 am in the car park,we'll then have a cup of tea/coffee and a warm in front of the coal fire,and decide which of the two sites we'll visit."

and in a less civilised way:

"...Bugger PM's I'll be there Saturday night..."

and also:

"There's about 5 of us going there,either Sat or Sun this w/e,don't know which day yet,piccies will be taken."

The two sites referred to being, presumably, either the "main cave" mentioned, or "the mine". Which, incidently, your correspondant admits to having climbed over a small padlocked gate and descending a few steps before reaching the now famous door. (I thought earlier on you said, with regard to permission "THE USER DIDNT NEED ANY AS HE DIDNT GO UNDERGROUND" he may not have gone underground, but if he "had permission" presumably he'd have a key for the gate rather than need to climb over it?)

Reading down the thread there is no follow up to say whether a) any trip took place on the Saturday in question, or b) if the trip was to the "main cave" or the now legendary "mine". All the messages referred to the mine so it would be reasonable to assume the trip would be there, and if not on Saturday, then how about:

"...there'll be a second trip on Sunday"

I find it hard to belive that you are now trying to tell us that "No visit was arranged".

I once again end up asking how you can be so sure, given the comments made by your board's membership, that none of your subscribers have been to the place and none of them caused the damage. Maybe not the original person who brought up the subject, but what about the rest?

 

[darkplaces]

But Brendan - The two statements contradict each other, yes hes saying they dont know who did it. Buy why then did he say "IF the person who took the photo is innocent.." when the evedence is in the photo (IE paint in view and weathered)?

We are both picking bits that fit our own views which is natrual but what do you make of the 'IF' point he made, thats an indication of a personal view isnt it?

Also he says ...'members made a trip - Without permission' who needs permission to take a picture of an unknown mine entrance (while remaining above ground) in a forest (I am told people are allowed to freely walk though on the paths and byways) with which to help you find out more about it?

 

[pisshead]

i think we're going round in circles a bit and i get the feeling that no one's going to back down...

'IF' does not necessarily imply that the person speaking believes the opposite to be true - for example, 'if it rains tomorrow' does not mean 'i don't think it will rain tomorrow'...

i know that is a dodgy example!

...you are picking up on a possible implication, and maybe you are being a little paranoid.

the addition of the sentance Brendan has quoted surely cancels out any implication that could be read into the 'if'?

 

[Mine Explorer]

...other could be equated with breaking and entering.

I seem to recall from a idle conversation with a policewomen that there are only certain things that can be 'broken and entered'. I think it was something on the lines of: You can be charged with "breaking and entering" a house. But a caravan is classified differently!

I don't really recall the conversation but it would be safe to say that even if one couldn't be charged with "breaking & entered", you could be hauled before the court with such things as criminal damage etc. There's enough overlap in our laws that even if you can't be had with one, there'll be another one that can be used!

(and now I really HAVE drifted from the point )

 

[Mine Explorer]

Also he says ...'members made a trip - Without permission' who needs permission to take a picture of an unknown mine entrance (while remaining above ground) in a forest (I am told people are allowed to freely walk though on the paths and byways) with which to help you find out more about it?

Ignoring for a minute the fact that your member admits to having climbed over a padlocked gate to get to take the photograph (no damage cause whilst climbing over, I can accept that) No permission is required to take the photograph.

However, despite your claim that no arrangements were made, your message board clearly shows that arrangements were made to return to the area on Sat/Sun 30/31 October with the (very likely) intention of visiting the mine in question - various members of your board made it clear they would quite happy break in if a key was not available.

Now your upset when the finger of suspision is pointing in your message board's direction?

 

[darkplaces]

I'm asking if such a trip did happen.
Its not unknown for events to simply fizzle out. This isnt a club after all.
But leave that one with me.

However, I can say the first pictures indicate damage was already done and apparently (I am told by the chap who organises access) written in paint was "thornbury Underdogs"

Hopping over a gate to poke a camera though a hole isnt the most evil thing in the world.

 

[darkplaces]

Also...
I know a number of posts were made to wind up FE. To make them think we were coming on such and such day with 'tools' it seams the windup may have backfired. - All too easy for me to say this of course, I aggree. It looks bad. The northern guys are very northern, not day trippers.

'Guests maybe watching' for the benifit of FE.

I'm still asking if it did take place.

 

[Mine Explorer]

I'm asking if such a trip did happen.
Its not unknown for events to simply fizzle out. This isnt a club after all.
But leave that one with me.

LOL! Sorry, I shouldn't laugh!

Earlier on you said words to the effect "it wasn't us guv!" you now have to go away and ASK if anyone went because in reality you simply don't know!

I would say that no-one is going to own up even if they did cause the damage, but bearing in mind the comments made on your web site it won't suprise me if someone did admit to it!


If nothing else, you've brightened up a day at work!

Hopping over a gate to poke a camera though a hole isnt the most evil thing in the world.

No, I agree. But you'd earlier made out the person in question was whiter-than-white whilst taking the photograph, yet by his own admission he'd negotiated (by climbing) a locked gate. You really ought to read what's on your board before making your statements!

 

[Mine Explorer]

Also...
I know a number of posts were made to wind up FE. To make them think we were coming on such and such day with 'tools' it seams the windup may have backfired.

Too right!

The northern guys are very northern, not day trippers.

Whilst I don't live as far south as yourself, and I don't know how far north your northern friends are located. I know people that have travelled up to mines in the north pennines for the day, and I've been known to do 'day trips' to the North East of England. Besides, the comments on your board show the people concerned would be sleeping in their vehicles - they wouldn't be doing it as a day trip. You really should start reading your own message board!

 

[darkplaces]

Confirmed - windup posts, a member has copys of private messages informing other members to ignore posts, others joined in thinking it was for real and the northern lot joined in to really stir it up.

I am most very sorry - If this came to court the PMs could be released as everything is datetimed on the forum. The windup has really screwed things up. All done in jest at the time.

I know I cant prove it to you unless I show screen shots etc but I could if it got serious. Bloody hell, these forums are amazing, everything is logged which has saved the day.

 

[pisshead]

this is more fun than researching essays

 

[Mine Explorer]

this is more fun than researching essays

Infinately more fun that electronics calculations as well
(anyone what a circuit that runs way too hot???)

 

[darkplaces]

If nothing else, you've brightened up a day at work!

Glad to be of service..

You really ought to read what's on your board..

I try.. A lot happens.

...Later some SRT using my neck as a replacment STOPdecender.

 

[Mine Explorer]

...Later some SRT using my neck as a replacment STOPdecender.

Mmm, the mind boggles as to what you'd use as the "red handle"

Now if you just used it as the straight forward "bobbin"!!!!

 

[Mole]

There seems to be an awful lot of half-truths,allegations,mis-interpretations etc flying around regarding this particular thread.

Perhaps,if all of us could stick to facts,some good might come out of it.

As Root stated,the proposed trip was a spoof to see if the FOD bush telegraph was still insecure

I feel it would be helpful if "some" could,sometimes,be used as a prefix when refering to "members of your Forum".

 

[darkplaces]

I prefer clutch and plummet style.

Thanks mole. A point I should make. Meny members of the forum are fully paid up, club member going, piller of the community types in for a look at the album and a discussion on the forum. Others are inbetween (mostly) a few people on the edge, poping in now and then. meny good friends have been made via the forum. Meny go on to join clubs etc or prefer the informal arrangment. I shall stop...

 

[Mine Explorer]

I feel it would be helpful if "some" could,sometimes,be used as a prefix when refering to "members of your Forum".

Yes, I will apologise for the generalisation. It was noted that you (almost on your own) were saying that entry should not be forced, however, a large number of the posters on the forum have made their feelings clear in both that thread and others. It is a little long-winded and confusing to have to keep putting "certain members of your forum..." when in general, "members of your forum" seems to cover most cases, albeit with certain notable exceptions (yourself being one).

Perhaps,if all of us could stick to facts,some good might come out of it.

I'm afriad the facts, as presented on the Darkplaces website, don't make for very good reading. As has already been pointed out by myself, the administrator was merrily making claims on this website that didn't bear out what could be seen by looking at his own! Eg. "No arrangements were made", well they might not have been, but by reading his website it is clear that arrangements WERE being made. The private message to ignore the arrangments can't be seen by the world at large! It's no good saying "but we didn't make any arrangements" when it can be seen you (supposedly) did. Mr. Darkplaces also had to go away and try to find out if anyone HAD been to the site after already catagorically stating nobody who subscribed to Darkplaces had been. (Which seems to suggest he didn't actually know when he initially made the claim)

As Root stated,the proposed trip was a spoof to see if the FOD bush telegraph was still insecure

And as Root/Darkplaces also stated, it has backfired slightly hasn't it? (or worked as predicted, depends on your point of view really doesn't it?)

 

[Mine Explorer]

I prefer clutch and plummet style.

Can turn the undersuit a funny colour when you watch someone do it! (fortunely halted before reaching the floor) Takes a moment to catch your breath afterwards!

...I shall stop

Is that by releasing the handle?
...or by pulling the rope?

 

[Mole]

It is a little long-winded and confusing to have to keep putting "certain members of your forum..."

I know it's only a small point,and one extra word,but it covers you.

As to Root not knowing whether or not a group went,he PM'd me for confirmation that no such group trip took place,and I assured him that the group trip did not take place.He was merely making absolutely sure that it hadn't.

I have PM'd the 2 Forum members I exchanged PM's with,regarding the spoof trip,asking their permission to publish the contents,and I await their reply.Until I receive such permission,I must respect their privacy.

And as Root/Darkplaces also stated, it has backfired slightly hasn't it? (or worked as predicted, depends on your point of view really doesn't it?)

It does indeed.

 

[Mole]

Sorry,the quoting seems to have awry in that last post of mine.
The innermost quote is my reply to the outer quote.
Hopefully it won't be too confusing to read !!!