Gaerwen Mine "Cave of lost souls" on BBC1 News 02/04/2024

[Mrs Trellis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001xy13/bbc-news-at-six-02042024 after 23 mins.

 

[wormster]

Ho hum.........

 

[Maisie Syntax]

So, have I got this correct? The older graffiti is important cultural artefact, but the newer graffiti is vandalism, and that people leaving loads of rubbish/detritus in an abandoned mine is disgraceful because it's spoiling the ambience created by all the scrap cars which had previously been dumped down there?

 

[kay]

Well, it's just another take on the age old problem isn't it? The Victorian industrial ruin which is a scheduled monument compared with the modern industrial building which is a blot on the landscape. The heritage railways with its sidings full of rusting engines and delapidated carriages awaiting restoration.

 

[wormster]

I dunno why everyone bothers with this shitheap, much better mines up the road!!

Self agraindisment and an attempt to up his little goon tube revenue. REAL mine explorers clean up and say nowt to owt!!

 

[royfellows]

So, have I got this correct? The older graffiti is important cultural artefact, but the newer graffiti is vandalism, and that people leaving loads of rubbish/detritus in an abandoned mine is disgraceful because it's spoiling the ambience created by all the scrap cars which had previously been dumped down there?

First part yes. Neatly executed miners initials in small letters, or even later explorers. DE Bick occurs, possibly some small "RF" s. Huge daubings of nonsense by people with an obvious obsessive paint fetish with its conotations of gang culture, inner city street life etc - NO. Regardless of the YouTube angle I think these people are doing a useful job by cleaning places up. YouTube could be a way to get the message across.

 

[abandonedandforgotenwales]

First part yes. Neatly executed miners initials in small letters, or even later explorers. DE Bick occurs, possibly some small "RF" s. Huge daubings of nonsense by people with an obvious obsessive paint fetish with its conotations of gang culture, inner city street life etc - NO. Regardless of the YouTube angle I think these people are doing a useful job by cleaning places up. YouTube could be a way to get the message across.

I dunno why everyone bothers with this shitheap, much better mines up the road!!

Self agraindisment and an attempt to up his little goon tube revenue. REAL mine explorers clean up and say nowt to owt!!

So, have I got this correct? The older graffiti is important cultural artefact, but the newer graffiti is vandalism, and that people leaving loads of rubbish/detritus in an abandoned mine is disgraceful because it's spoiling the ambience created by all the scrap cars which had previously been dumped down there?

The old miners graffiti (miners carvings/etching) from the 1820s are part of the history, the spray tagging in there was all over the place and all the dinghies, human waste and rubbish was all over the artefacts. The people who leave their rubbish and human waste have no respect for the history of these places, the artefacts, the men/miners who worked and often died in these places. How many times do we have to go back to these historical places underground and say nothing, I have been there on 3 different occasions and removed rubbish from influencers urbexers who don’t care about our mines/Quarries all they care about is that perfect shot.. and btw my channel is nothing about clicks, likes or subscribers, I’m all about the history, the artefacts and the miners past and present.

 

[wormster]

The old miners graffiti (miners carvings/etching) from the 1820s are part of the history, the spray tagging in there was all over the place and all the dinghies, human waste and rubbish was all over the artefacts. The people who leave their rubbish and human waste have no respect for the history of these places, the artefacts, the men/miners who worked and often died in these places. How many times do we have to go back to these historical places underground and say nothing, I have been there on 3 different occasions and removed rubbish from influencers urbexers who don’t care about our mines/Quarries all they care about is that perfect shot.. and btw my channel is nothing about clicks, likes or subscribers, I’m all about the history, the artefacts and the miners past and present.

Ho hum all laudable sentiments, just don't "willy wave" it, there's plenty of us that pack out others crap we just go about it quietly.

 

[carpet]

it'll be interesting to see if in a few decades spray paint daubings are treated with the same reverence as old initials carved into the rock or written in carbide soot - after all, a few years down the line that too will be part of the history of places. Certainly in at least one (non mine or cave) underground space near where I live, the decades of graffiti is one of the main attractions

 

[cavemanmike]

All the names carved on the wall in pengarett hut (dinorwic)over the years has spoilt the place. Most people wouldn’t even know where to find the old quarryman signatures. Absolutely ruined the place

 

[RobinGriffiths]

it'll be interesting to see if in a few decades spray paint daubings are treated with the same reverence as old initials carved into the rock or written in carbide soot - after all, a few years down the line that too will be part of the history of places. Certainly in at least one (non mine or cave) underground space near where I live, the decades of graffiti is one of the main attractions

There may be rare exceptions, but the context is that the original graffiti was created by people who spent years toiling in the mines and quarries, and not some spotty Herbert from Macclesfield who spent a day there with a few cans of paint. They're not adding to the history, but detracting.

 

[royfellows]

Robin, Nail on the Head.