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SpaceHopper
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SpaceHopper wrote:
There is no such thing as a good witness.
I disagree with that rather sweeping statement.
Ask any detective.
SpaceHopper wrote:
There is no such thing as a good witness.
I disagree with that rather sweeping statement.
I see your point but it's almost like looking at air travel and saying "it flies at 30,000ft and goes 500mph, if an engine fails everyone will die!"SpaceHopper said:The inspector will not say... hmmm but I must take the statisical record into account? A loose poised flake is a hazard whether it is on an unsafe building or underground. On a building site such hazards would clearly be deemed unsafe by society, by the state and by the workers.
I'm not saying that it *can* be dangerous, but I just don't think most caving is particularly dangerous, providing reasonable precautions are taken.SpaceHopper said:Caving is dangerous. You cannot deny it.
It depends whether you do all in your power to ensure their safety and to not lead them in an irresponsible manner.SpaceHopper said:I've said I am not familiar with the cave in question. I have taken small children on mountains where probably 20 people have died since 1972. So what!
This is a different issue, and I agree.SpaceHopper said:Society should stop expecting such garentees for these activities.
Caving can be very safe. That's my opinion.SpaceHopper said:And you should stop trying to give the impression that these activites can ever be safe.
Ha ha ha Come on, that's ridiculous, I've never bought a tabloid in my life!SpaceHopper said:Fall in line behind the NCA statement and stop reading the daily mail.
No, I've never said that at all. I'm saying that a guide should do all in their power to ensure the safety of their party, and act in a responsible manner. In the situation being discussed, I don't think that that was the case.SpaceHopper said:Bubba overall you seem to be implying that a guide or instructor can garentee safety. What I am saying is that is just not possible.
In many cases I would agree.SpaceHopper said:For sure a guide could behave negligently and deserve to be punished or pay compensation. Conversly just because an accident happens it does not follow that the guide was negligent.
So, I can assume you've asked them all then? Don't accuse me of tabloid style statements when you come out with stuff like that. Do you really believe there's never been a good witness?SpaceHopper said:SpaceHopper wrote:
There is no such thing as a good witness.
I disagree with that rather sweeping statement.
Ask any detective.
Went through that sump in the 70s during drought what a bitch, the hole into the air space he found was really tight, cant imagine how he made it after about 80ft of filthy sumpSamT said:did anyone ever read about the cadet who was rescued from the sump in Carlswark in the 1960s. Now he was a lucky,lucky B.