Lumb Hole

[Rob]

Thanks for this, will update the survey. Just checking, are you getting your east and west confused?

 

[shotlighter]

Bugger! Oh er...I mean well spotted.
I wondered if someone would find the deliberate mistake

 

[shotlighter]

Dont forget, the sketch is from a nearly 30 yr old memory, so dotted lines at best!

Confused of Kidsgrove.

 

[Mark]

I think Lumb hole is amongst this

https://www.savecressbrookdale.com/...hH2kP7k2bOrDoPK7V-tXf1h-9BFYyzn3mNf-0PBuVU4XU

https://rachelelnaugh.com/inner-sanctum

Nuts

 

[shotlighter]

Sounds like absolute bloody insanity. This dale is one of the most stunningly beautifull natural places that I've ever been to.
The Peak Park & EN need to exercise their legal powers quick and enforce them.
Can't believe this.

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Sounds like it's a bunch of yoghurt weaving nutjobs.

 

[pwhole]

I doubt Natural England will do much, particularly where caves are concerned. Their local interest appears to have evaporated lately, especially when you consider what it was like ten years ago. But we can live in hope. The Peak Park may have more teeth, ironically. Though I notice 50% of the freehold is still up for grabs. Do we know any 'beautiful souls' ( I presume she means rich friends) who could buy the rest up? And I thought her name sounded familiar:

Rachel Elnaugh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

ITV1's Tonight programme criticized the business model of Red Letter Days, which included unpaid suppliers and disappointed purchasers. The programme suggested that the company failed to escrow or earmark supplier payment equity, instead of using it for working capital. However, Elnaugh blamed Red Letter Days' bankers.[3]

 

[Katie]

I think Lumb hole might actually be outside the area they have acquired - but only just! I think their new land includes the other side of the river to Lumb, but doesn't get across the river....

 

[AR]

The Peak Park recently won a planning appeal hearing against Thornbridge Hall for creating new tracks on the hall grounds amongst other things, so I guess that will bolster them in taking enforcement action here.

 

[pwhole]

I must say that I'm still baffled by the purchasing process of the land parcel, as stated on her website. I'm not in the business of buying land, especially large nature reserves, but is this how land purchases are normally organised? Without any public tender/auction process? Or any kind of judgement as to the competency (or otherwise) of the purchaser to manage a natural facility? It just sounds like a backhander deal with Stanton, the way it's written:

This opportunity came about quite by chance via one of our local Bakewell ‘Stand in the Park’ regulars who knew the Estate Management Team at Stanton Estate. They had acquired the land when the Cressbrook Mill went bankrupt in the 1930’s, had found it difficult to manage, but wanted it to go to a good home.​

 

[bograt]

I am aware of a great deal of long established badger activity on that side of the dale, I wonder how that fits into their gardening ethos ??

 

[Katie]

The Peak Park have issued a temporary stop notice and an emergency tree preservation order on the Cressbrook dale land.
Will have to see if it has an affect.....

 

[AR]

I must say that I'm still baffled by the purchasing process of the land parcel, as stated on her website. I'm not in the business of buying land, especially large nature reserves, but is this how land purchases are normally organised? Without any public tender/auction process? Or any kind of judgement as to the competency (or otherwise) of the purchaser to manage a natural facility? It just sounds like a backhander deal with Stanton, the way it's written:

That reads more to me that Stanton were finding the land more of a liability than an asset - I don't know exactly what the stated aims of the trust that have bought it are, but if they were superficially reasonable I can imagine Stanton being only too happy to sell up. There wouldn't be any duty on Stanton to do due diligence on the buyer, or to advertise it for sale publicly as they're a private estate.

Looking at the SSSI boundaries, in the lower dale it's only the eastern half that's covered so I don't think the area of disputed works are inside it. That means NE will mainly be concerned with any potential impacts on the SSSI. The stop notice has more force, and if it is being ignored then PDNPA could go for a court injunction; breach of that would result in the new landowners being done for contempt of court.

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Judging by the blurb on the website, the spring (and woods) are seen as a resource. Presumably they'll need an abstraction license fo that. And who is the mystery ex celebrity?