cap n chris
Well-known member
dunc said:
I guess he was SHOUTING on purpose. Doesn't look like it's working though.
Marker Tape
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I guess he was SHOUTING on purpose. Doesn't look like it's working though.
Mark
Well-known member
The original moan was more about the nanny state and how we have to be protected from danger all the time, than about keeping access open to this specific site,
Only today in the paper there is an abandoned school in Midlothian where the lights have been kept on at night so that intruders dont hurt themselves in the dark,
As dunc said no mention of request by landowner in article?
Perhaps a sub forum on uk caving should be started so that any access issues can be made known to all,
As for being an arse, if I have an opinion it will be voiced, some will agree some not, I can live with that, arguing is better than not talking at all.
Would marker tape have kept Putwell Hill Mine open, I think not
If you need a chuck welding gates or capping shafts let us know, we are all into goodwill with the landowners.
Only today in the paper there is an abandoned school in Midlothian where the lights have been kept on at night so that intruders dont hurt themselves in the dark,
As dunc said no mention of request by landowner in article?
Perhaps a sub forum on uk caving should be started so that any access issues can be made known to all,
As for being an arse, if I have an opinion it will be voiced, some will agree some not, I can live with that, arguing is better than not talking at all.
Would marker tape have kept Putwell Hill Mine open, I think not
If you need a chuck welding gates or capping shafts let us know, we are all into goodwill with the landowners.
Iain Barker
Member
Mark,
I couldn'y agree more about the "Nanny State". What a load of interfering bollocks it all is; which is one of the reasons I get so miffed when I have to carry out work just to keep all the suits happy. It goes against the grain big style. Thing is, if DCA doesn't do what the landowners want us to do Derbyshire caving will lose some of its best trips and personally, I'm willing to swallow my pride and do what they ask to keep them open for all. Ashford is a case in point but is what we term a "sacrificial" site. It sees loads of traffic every week from organised centres, the number of "real" cavers who visit is small, I know, they get access through me. What this does is keeps all the noddys out of Giant's, etc (well, ok, some of them!). Because of this unsafe areas HAVE to be delienated because these young people wouldn't know a loose block until it was on them. Oh and Mark, I might take you up on that offer of help one day, cheers for that.
Dunc,
my caps lock wasn't stuck, as the guy said, I was shouting. It's when I go quiet people worry.
Anyway, let's let this bugger lie now. When's the next stomp?
I couldn'y agree more about the "Nanny State". What a load of interfering bollocks it all is; which is one of the reasons I get so miffed when I have to carry out work just to keep all the suits happy. It goes against the grain big style. Thing is, if DCA doesn't do what the landowners want us to do Derbyshire caving will lose some of its best trips and personally, I'm willing to swallow my pride and do what they ask to keep them open for all. Ashford is a case in point but is what we term a "sacrificial" site. It sees loads of traffic every week from organised centres, the number of "real" cavers who visit is small, I know, they get access through me. What this does is keeps all the noddys out of Giant's, etc (well, ok, some of them!). Because of this unsafe areas HAVE to be delienated because these young people wouldn't know a loose block until it was on them. Oh and Mark, I might take you up on that offer of help one day, cheers for that.
Dunc,
my caps lock wasn't stuck, as the guy said, I was shouting. It's when I go quiet people worry.
Anyway, let's let this bugger lie now. When's the next stomp?
Peter Burgess
New member
Can we let it rest after I suggest one of the taped areas be renamed "Watergate" on account of the controversy all the tapes have caused? 
Mark said:
I agree with Mark's assessment. Looking at the two photos in Descent it is obvious that whoever did this did not have the faintest idea how to go about it correctly, it is a shambles. Taping on conservation grounds is fine but it needs to be done right. To read in the accompanying article that it has been done 'sympathetically' is a complete joke. If this is how taping is done in Derbyshire I would suggest those responsible come down to South Wales and learn how to do it properly.
Peter Burgess
New member
I would never judge how well done taping had been done purely from a photo or two, and certainly not when I have never been to the site in question. Even if I did think it had been done less than perfectly I certainly wouldn't make such a big deal of it, and most definitely acknowledge the perfectly good reasons why it had been done in the first place, and that those doing it were doing so in their own time, possibly against their better judgement, and not doing it for their own personal gain or satisfaction.
Paul and Ian: I suppose you just have to accept that some people will always find something to criticise and explain to you how it can be done so much better by someone else somewhere else. I wouldn't waste time typing any response whatsoever to such non-constructive comments.
Paul and Ian: I suppose you just have to accept that some people will always find something to criticise and explain to you how it can be done so much better by someone else somewhere else. I wouldn't waste time typing any response whatsoever to such non-constructive comments.
cap n chris
Well-known member
NigR said:
Looks like you've volunteered to write a leaflet on how to do taping properly, then, NigR.
cap 'n chris said:
I thought you would have realised by now that reading leaflets or going on training courses may not be the best ways of learning how to do things.
Of course, if anyone would like to see how to tape correctly I would be only too happy to show them. Members of Grwp Ogofeydd Garimpeiros are currently engaged in a comprehensive programme of re-taping (and re-surveying) many of the sites on the Black Mountain and adjacent areas here in West Wales. Any offers of assistance would be gratefully received (be prepared to walk several miles each way to the cave entrances, however).
If anyone is based closer to East Wales and doesn't want to come this far west then I would suggest they contact John Stevens or Arthur Millett of CSS for advice regarding the practicalities of taping as they definitely know what they are talking about.
Finally, let me say that by far the best way to learn how to tape properly is to go out and find some beautiful new cave passage that you would hate to see destroyed. You'll learn pretty fast then. Try it and see.
