mendip caves

[graham]

Think you will find it's a joint BEC - Wessex team. 

JOINT???!!! 

Is that where that smell in Swildons came from?

 

[Les W]

Think you will find it's a joint BEC - Wessex team. 

JOINT???!!! 

Is that where that smell in Swildons came from?

The people I am thinking of wouldn't cave in Swildons...
...the passages there are too large 

 

[whitelackington]

Be they "The Wessex Dwarfes"

Tim Francis said they not be proper dwarves, they not be small enough.
Not as small as the MCG Dwarves

 

[wormster]

I think The B.E.C. are desparately trying to extend it Tony from Suffolk
They got a new thin person round trip a year ago.

Think you will find it's a joint BEC - Wessex team. 

The Wessex rolled it then the BEC smoked it then went looking for 'oles in the ground man

 

[tony from suffolk]

So what's happening in Eastwater then chaps?

I think The B.E.C. are desparately trying to extend it Tony from Suffolk
They got a new thin person round trip a year ago.

Oh well, academic interest only for myself then...

 

[whitelackington]

Are you as fat as your avatar.
I hope that remark is not seen as racist

 

[tony from suffolk]

Are you as fat as your avatar.
I hope that remark is not seen as racist

If you mean am I horizontally challenged? I admit to either having put on a few pounds (or more likely my wetsuit's shrunk over the years. They do you know!) I'm pleased to say I bear little resemblance to my avatar image.

In other words, NO.

 

[whitelackington]

Are you as fat as your avatar.
I hope that remark is not seen as racist

If you mean am I horizontally challenged? I admit to either having put on a few pounds (or more likely my wetsuit's shrunk over the years. They do you know!) I'm pleased to say I bear little resemblance to my avatar image.

In other words, NO.

Tony,
if you are more than a 42" chest you will not make it through into the new Upper Flood Swallet! :

 

[tony from suffolk]

Tony,
if you are more than a 42" chest you will not make it through into the new Upper Flood Swallet! :

 

[whitelackington]

Unless you get in via Dave Mitchell's Dig


:doubt:

 

[Les W]

I'm pleased to say I bear little resemblance to my avatar image.

I'd like to think you weren't actually sat in front of the computer in the raw as well 

 

[tony from suffolk]

I'm pleased to say I bear little resemblance to my avatar image.

I'd like to think you weren't actually sat in front of the computer in the raw as well 

We all take our pleasures how and where we can Les...

 

[Les W]

I'm pleased to say I bear little resemblance to my avatar image.

I'd like to think you weren't actually sat in front of the computer in the raw as well 

We all take our pleasures how and where we can Les...

You don't perchance know Leslie Grantham?  :-\

 

[whitelackington]

Since Mad Phil made his deep connection in Eastwater, 
has an estimate or survey been undertaken,
to discover the new length of Eastwater cavern

 

[whitelackington]

Since Mad Phil made his deep connection in Eastwater, 
has an estimate or survey been undertaken,
to discover the new length of Eastwater cavern

Could anyone tell us
the M.C.G. what the current length of Eastwater is, someone who actually knows,
we know what the latest Mendip Underground says but Eastwater must have gained quite a bit of length since then, we would appreciate it.
Tree Monkey got Upper Flood Swallet over estimated it is only 2.2K actually surveyed,
although the cave is estimated to be nearly 2.8K, so far. :doubt:

 

[cap n chris]

Does it actually matter if one cave happens to be shorter or longer than another?

Surely the length of any cave depends to a large extent on the thoroughness of the surveyors? - for example, Goatchurch Cavern is listed in MU as 750m but the new survey data we collected provisionally makes it 1540m long - i.e. more than TWICE as long.

Therefore, if you are really bothered by how long* a cave is, just spend bloody ages surveying every single last cubby-hole and you'll soon tot up a fair whack of passage length. Mind-numbing stuff, mind you.


* It's only the length of surveyed passage, not the length of the cave, remember: after all, ask yourself the question - how "long" is a field on a hillside?

 

[whitelackington]

Since Mad Phil made his deep connection in Eastwater, 
has an estimate or survey been undertaken,
to discover the new length of Eastwater cavern

Could anyone tell us
the M.C.G. what the current length of Eastwater is, someone who actually knows,
we know what the latest Mendip Underground says but Eastwater must have gained quite a bit of length since then, we would appreciate it.


only 2.2K actually surveyed,
although the cave is estimated to be nearly 2.8K, so far. :doubt:

I was actually hoping somebody who actually KNEW could answer, not somebody who doesn't care.
It is important to us, so we know when Upper Flood Swallet has overtaken Eastwater Cavern in length,
most of Upper Flood Swallet is actual, pucker cave passage.

 

[Peter Burgess]

Does it actually matter if one cave happens to be shorter or longer than another?

Surely the length of any cave depends to a large extent on the thoroughness of the surveyors? - for example, Goatchurch Cavern is listed in MU as 750m but the new survey data we collected provisionally makes it 1540m long - i.e. more than TWICE as long.

Therefore, if you are really bothered by how long* a cave is, just spend bloody ages surveying every single last cubby-hole and you'll soon tot up a fair whack of passage length. Mind-numbing stuff, mind you.


* It's only the length of surveyed passage, not the length of the cave, remember: after all, ask yourself the question - how "long" is a field on a hillside?

No of course it doesn't matter. The only useful distances to know in caves are lengths of pitches, and lengths and depths of sumps [stand by for someone to add more to this list]. Sometimes it's also useful to know how much longer you are going to have to wait for xyz to rig/derig/climb etc before you can get out and go home.

 

[graham]

Does it actually matter if one cave happens to be shorter or longer than another?

Surely the length of any cave depends to a large extent on the thoroughness of the surveyors? - for example, Goatchurch Cavern is listed in MU as 750m but the new survey data we collected provisionally makes it 1540m long - i.e. more than TWICE as long.

Therefore, if you are really bothered by how long* a cave is, just spend bloody ages surveying every single last cubby-hole and you'll soon tot up a fair whack of passage length. Mind-numbing stuff, mind you.


* It's only the length of surveyed passage, not the length of the cave, remember: after all, ask yourself the question - how "long" is a field on a hillside?

A field has an area rather than a length, which is reasonably comparable with every other field, unless the gradients within it are extreme.

The problems with getting comparable lengths for caves are, as Chris demonstrates, those of definition and you will find that the world's cave surveyors argue interminably about this issue, especially when it comes to surveying large chambers.

We have managed to clock up 1500 m worth of survey legs in Goatchurch, but I doubt that any of us would claim that cave was "nearly a mile long".

However I'll stand by the depth figure. 

 

[mak]

perhaps the length for the longest single route without crossing already traversed cave would be an interesting index - probably need an algorithm in the cave survey software to work it out though.