New Caves of the Peak District guidebook

[Turner]

Most of the experienced cavers who have the information are only too happy to help. In this internet focussed age, where people expect everything at the click of a button, are we forgetting other alternatives?

I think it's the other way round... aren't those same experienced cavers who have the information just not realising the potential benefit of putting it online for all to see?

Agree'd........... I, myself..... am a child of the internet. As in alot of other situations, old gizzards need to get with the times.

Communication and knowledge are key. I've learned more things in my life than my granddad and great granddad probably did in there whole lives. all with a few clicks through this little box of win and awesome.

 

[zomjon]

'I've learned more things in my life than my granddad and great granddad probably did in there whole lives.'
Not how to spell 'their' though! 

 

[Turner]

Lmfao....FAIL!!!!1! Ah well the mother ****** couldn't read lol he wouldn't know the difference  :tease:

 

[robjones]

Turner wrote: "I've learned more things in my life than my granddad and great granddad probably did in there whole lives. all with a few clicks through this little box of win and awesome."

Very true and I'd echo the sentiment. But I've also read more misinformed cr*p on the web than if I'd spent every evening of my adult life listening to ejits opinioning in a pub. 

 

[Pitlamp]

The net has its place but it's not the be all and end all. Other methods of communicating or accessing information are important and some can never be replaced by the interweb. My PC died last week and at first I was lost without it. 3 days later and I had it sorted but I realised that, in a strange way, it had been quite pleasant not being tied to the darned thing for a while. Oh well.

 

[RobinGriffiths]

The net has its place but it's not the be all and end all

Indeed... Although this site is a mine of information, I suspect my stash of Descent + allied newsletters in the spare bedroom will still be there in 20 years whereas who knows about this website.

Robin

 

[Roger W]

Wherefore cut and paste all the useful stuff into your word processor and print off a hard copy or two to stash away under your mattress... 

Or will that be infringing Bubba's copyright?

 

[bubba]

Or will that be infringing Bubba's copyright?

As long as people don't start copying information wholesale with the intention of setting up a rival site then I don't care if people do such things. I think that technically the copyright of posts remains with the poster anyway, so it's not really my copyright at issue.

If/when the site is sold then this may change but whilst it's in my hands, in the event of me no longer being able to run the site then the databases will be made available to somebody who can take things over or at least provide it as an online archive.

 

[graham]

Having been the one who brought up the subject of online repositories, I suppose I need to step in again:

Are they useful? Yes. Of course there is a lot of crap on the net but you know that a site like the MCRA one, which is run by cavers for cavers has reliable information on it. This site is not fact checked, but that one, and the others mentioned are. This distinction is important. And never forget, you cannot take your or your club's entire library on expedition, but you can take a netbook and a broadband dongle and log into all the stuff from wherever there's a phone signal.

Are they wholly comprehensive? As well as we can make them, yes. We are only human and errors will be made - and corrected when discovered. You cannot correct an incorrect grid reference in a 20 year old Descent. not in all available library copies you can't. As to the privacy point, indeed some sensitive material may well be missing, so what? It doesn't detract from the immense value of the rest.

How long will they last? A good question, nothing lasts forever, not even inscriptions in granite, but we can work to make useful repositories of information as robust as possible.

 

[Mark]

Having been the one who brought up the subject of online repositories, I suppose I need to step in again:

Are they useful? Yes. Of course there is a lot of crap on the net but you know that a site like the MCRA one, which is run by cavers for cavers has reliable information on it. This site is not fact checked, but that one, and the others mentioned are. This distinction is important. And never forget, you cannot take your or your club's entire library on expedition, but you can take a netbook and a broadband dongle and log into all the stuff from wherever there's a phone signal.

Are they wholly comprehensive? As well as we can make them, yes. We are only human and errors will be made - and corrected when discovered. You cannot correct an incorrect grid reference in a 20 year old Descent. not in all available library copies you can't. As to the privacy point, indeed some sensitive material may well be missing, so what? It doesn't detract from the immense value of the rest.

How long will they last? A good question, nothing lasts forever, not even inscriptions in granite, but we can work to make useful repositories of information as robust as possible.

I know the online debate is relevant, but it would be nice, just once, for this topic to remain about the Caves Of the Peak District Guidebook, and getting it on the shelf

 

[JAM]

Yeah, i've got to agree there Mark, we have all gone along a tangent topic.  So, where were we ?

Rich 

 

[Turner]

The net has its place but it's not the be all and end all

yes it is.......lol

 

[RottweilerMole]

Definately put me down for two!! One for me and a gift for a buddy!!

I'd prob pay a tenner for a copy via e-mail that I could print off myself!!!

Rottweilermole

 

[RottweilerMole]

Any further news? RM