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New Caves of the Peak District guidebook

will you be buying a new copy of Caves of the Peak District

  • yes

    Votes: 114 96.6%
  • no

    Votes: 4 3.4%

  • Total voters
    118

david3392

Member
By the way, just seen a copy of COPD on sale through Amazon [used, obviously] for ?135. The demand is out there!
 

rhychydwr1

Active member
Just been looking at the new Descent website.  They publish caving books.  Ask Chris if he is interested in CPD
 

zippy

Member
Funny you should say that - I was thinking of making the same point, but then figured it was so obvious that people must have already considered it!?
 

moorebooks

Active member
I would buy a stock to sell  on and would make it a large order to help underwrite the initial costs.

With reference to Peter Burgess observations with the Snailbeach Lead Mine produces for the Shropshire Mines Trust which I sell at nil profit for the SMT the final proof is fantastic but the initial quality of paper and production was very poor and only after lots of emails did Peter manage to persuade them to upgrade.

We have found distribution the hard thing - we have sold them to all independant outlets in the area but the likes of Waterstones, W H Smith and Wholsealsers simply will not stock them and we are unable to break into this market. As a straight comparison Mike Shaw released a book on the Shropshire Lead, Copper and Barytes Mines through Logaston Press and now virtually every book stockist in Shropshire has copies on its shelves. This tells the difference between DIY and a publisher / distributor network.  http://www.moorebooks.co.uk/shelves/cart.php?target=product&sns_mode=featured_product&product_id=19078&category_id=249

Mike
 

Peter Burgess

New member
moorebooks said:
We have found distribution the hard thing - we have sold them to all independant outlets in the area but the likes of Waterstones, W H Smith and Wholsealsers simply will not stock them ....

Their loss.
 

Les W

Active member
moorebooks said:
We have found distribution the hard thing - we have sold them to all independant outlets in the area but the likes of Waterstones, W H Smith and Wholsealsers simply will not stock them ....

But for a caving guide, the total sales from those retail outlets will be minimal anyway. The best place to reach a specialist target market is in the specialist retail outlets that serve that market (caving shops, etc.).
 

AndyF

New member
Les W said:
moorebooks said:
We have found distribution the hard thing - we have sold them to all independant outlets in the area but the likes of Waterstones, W H Smith and Wholsealsers simply will not stock them ....

But for a caving guide, the total sales from those retail outlets will be minimal anyway. The best place to reach a specialist target market is in the specialist retail outlets that serve that market (caving shops, etc.).

Thats right...  There are probably only 20 outlets that would stock it in the country. WHSMith don't stock climbing guides (AFAIK) so are no more likely to stock a caving guide.

People that want it will know where to buy it!
 

Peter Burgess

New member
I agree with the comments about caving guides in book shops. The book Mike was referring to would sit admirably alongside other local history volumes in any Shropshire bookshop. Like I said, their loss.
 
B

Big Lewie

Guest
Hi guys,

I am a kayaker as well as a caver and most of the paddling guides and technical books are produced by a company based in n. wales called Pesda Press
Their details are as follows

telephone: +44 (0) 1286 685233
e-mail: info@pesdapress.com
Pesda Press Ltd, Galeri 22, Doc Victoria,
Caernarfon, Gwynedd. LL55 1SQ

Their books are top quality and amazingly well thought out.  I am sure a caving guide will be a welcome addition to their catalogue.  They already have walking and climbing guides as well as the water based ones.

I hope this helps to get the ball rolling

Lewis
xx
 

Mark

Well-known member
Talking to the guy who did the Great Hucklow mining book last night,

He got it published by a guy in Hathersage (?3000.00 for a thousand copies)

Could be worth talking to, let me know if you want the details
 

Moose

New member
Strikes me that there's plenty of options.

Who's in charge of making decisions? Come on get your act together.....
 

Mark

Well-known member
Mark said:
Talking to the guy who did the Great Hucklow mining book last night,

He got it published by a guy in Hathersage (?3000.00 for a thousand copies)

Could be worth talking to, let me know if you want the details

I got this bit wrong, the guy in Hathersage printed it, The book was published by the people of Great Hucklow.

I think this is the way forward, then the publisher doesn't get the biggest cut, the DCA can make a bit more, and John Beck could be rewarded for all his hard work, as he appears to be the only one actually doing anything on this project.

(Thanks for your input Bob, Sam & Ian but I think you should just let John get on with it.)

John's biggest concern is the binding, do we need it to be the same as the last COPD, I personally would be happy to see it with any binding, I just want it on the shelf

If printing needs to be self financed I am confident money could be found (advance orders maybe)

Sorry if Im talking bollocks John  ;)
 

JAM

New member
Mark said:
John's biggest concern is the binding, do we need it to be the same as the last COPD, I personally would be happy to see it with any binding, I just want it on the shelf

Same here, then it'll save me hours scouring maps / internet and hillsides looking for interesting holes ;)

I would say paper back is sufficient, then anyone wanting a hard copy can stick some card on the inside of the cover :tease:

Seriously though, i'd buy it even if it is ring bound; actually that ain't a bad idea cos we could then photocopy the pages we would need  out in the field and if needs must, laminate them..

Rich
 

JAM

New member
Yes Graham, it would indeed help. If anybody or bodies has a comprehensive list of cave coordinates  for the Derbyshire area I wouldn't mind having a copy, then I could try (at my leisure) to put together a database for upload.

Rich
 

graham

New member
Jam

As you say, at your leisure. Those three that I linked to took years to produce. Why not start by taking the most recent Peak guide, extracting the figures from that and then building from there, putting out requests for more info, etc. I warn you though, it can be both time consuming and addictive, especially if you turn into an obsessive completist.
 
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