Over 70's to stay in for 3 months!

[mikem]

Did it have a roof?

 

[shotlighter]

Glad I went digging today. Found a 15m long chamber.

Should be handy for a prolonged period of isolation.
Need on heck of a big bed though, to put it under!

 

[royfellows]

Answer to my own question, from Royal Mail website:

Public Health England (PHE) has advised that people receiving parcels are not at risk of contracting the coronavirus. From experience with other coronaviruses, we know that these types of viruses don?t survive long on objects, such as letters or parcels. This complements the highly publicised guidance from PHE for people to wash their hands more often than usual using soap and hot water.

 

[Fulk]

Roy ? does your stuff come from China on boats or in aeroplanes . . . if the former, I guess that you don't have to worry because of the time it takes, and if the latter, I suppose it'll get here much quicker.

 

[blackshiver]

Been meaning to read ?Beyond Time? for years and never got round to it. Searching for ideas now.
?The heroic adventure of a scientists 63 days spent in darkness and solitude in a cave 365 feet underground?.
Apparently he suffered extreme physical and emotional stress - which you will end up with anyway just by staying in and watching the BBC news.

 

[Madness]

Isolation - Not particularly good for mental health.

 

[blackshiver]

Just finished the first chapter, he camped on an ice flow so it was not particularly good for piles either.

 

[alastairgott]

3 days is apparently the key number to remember with regard to coronovirus' on hard surfaces, I have just searched for the a reference on t'internet, and came out with this one, which suggests 9days. https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext


But I'm sure that will be a full eradication of any (trace) of the coronavirus.


3 days will be till the taper point of the inverse exponential.

So as far as I know, the key figure to remember is 3 days, ST and Roy can argue all day It seems!

THE KEY THING TO REMEMBER IS: 20sec handwash.
regardless of what hard surface you come into contact with, as long as you're washing your hands there will be no problem.

regardless of the longevity of the virus on surfaces, as long as your not licking all the walls you find, or fondling communal dimmer switches and then touching your eyes cos the lights so bright. you might be alright.


It'll be your hands that are the killer!

 

[RobinGriffiths]

I avoid surfaces, but when shopping there are some you can't avoid. Shopping trolleys, self service touch screens, chip and pin and cashpoint machines. My technique, and my wife reckons I'm paranoid, is the use of a Finger Condom ?. A hundred pack of latex gloves, stick one in your pocket together with nail scissors, then before shopping, chop a digit off and stash it in your pocket. When you get to the till, discretely slip it on.

I suspected I might have been OCD, now I know I am.

 

[Speleotron]

I'll have OCD when this is over. I used to be the grubbiest person!

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Will it be over though? Going down the herd immunity route, the Government have to calibrate not overloading the NHS in a given period against getting enough of us affected, not died and contributing to 'herd immunity' through each year.

Problem is, is enough research out there to guarantee that when you get it you are then immune? From what I understand, there are more people with the disease than have recovered. Basing Public Policy on such a dearth of facts seems dangerous. If I wake up in August, and it's blown over, that would be good if someone can arrange it.,

 

[andrewmcleod]

Will it be over though? Going down the herd immunity route, the Government have to calibrate not overloading the NHS in a given period against getting enough of us affected, not died and contributing to 'herd immunity' through each year.

Problem is, is enough research out there to guarantee that when you get it you are then immune? From what I understand, there are more people with the disease than have recovered. Basing Public Policy on such a dearth of facts seems dangerous. If I wake up in August, and it's blown over, that would be good if someone can arrange it.,

If you look at the current plan herd immunity will take an extremely long time to build up (if we only allow a very small amount of people to get ill, which is the plan). That's assuming there is long-lasting (i.e. >2 year) immunity, which is normal for these viruses but not guaranteed... They must be hoping for a vaccine in 12-18 months and expecting significant restrictions until then.

 

[paul]

The British Mountaineering Council's view on "Should you go climbing outdoors and hill walking?":

https://www.thebmc.co.uk/should-you-go-climbing-outdoors-and-hill-walking

What does the BMC recommend?
This is uncharted territory for all of us, and the advice we give to climbers, walkers and mountaineers will no doubt change over the coming days, weeks and even months. But if you?re wondering whether to head outside, this is what we currently think:

People need access to countryside for their health ? both mental and physical.

Follow the most current NHS advice regarding health and distancing.

Consider your means of travel and distance ? close to home is best and, despite the environmental impact, it?s better to be in personal cars than public transport at the moment.

Have a think if considering using huts or bunkhouses and check out our article here.

Stick to familiar areas and low-risk activities.

Reduce your risk. Be very aware that medical and rescue services and facilities are going to be extremely stretched and overwhelmed. It would be socially irresponsible to be taking risks at this time that could place an additional burden on medical and emergency services.

Do not assume that Mountain Rescue will be available. There is a real possibility of reduced or even no cover for rescue in some areas as this develops - including along the coast that depends on lifeboat and volunteer coastguards.

 

[tamarmole]

Isolation - Not particularly good for mental health.

An important point.  Taking physical exercise outdoors in incredibly important for promoting and maintaining good mental health.

 

[Laurie]

I've got Mr Taviner's lovely book to occupy me and keep my imagination working. 

 

[ttxela2]

Isolation - Not particularly good for mental health.

An important point.  Taking physical exercise outdoors in incredibly important for promoting and maintaining good mental health.

Whilst I am not over 70 we are having to take this seriously in our household as Mrs T's business revolves around elderly people coming to our house for treatment or her going to their house. Many of her clients are cancelling but some understandably still want to see her as they perceive the health benefits outweighing the risks. Obviously if I develop symptoms or have to isolate for any reason in our house it would effectively shut down what little remains of her business.

My eldest girl owns and runs her own gym, they remain open at the moment but attendance is way down.

My youngest girl works in residential dementia care. Already many of the staff are off with cold symptoms, she is currently healthy but they are considering plans for her to move into the home temporarily and effectively isolate with the residents so we may have seen the last of her for a while.

Meanwhile I am still required to come into work each day as our R&D labs remain open (Stemcell research) our teaching labs are moving to online courses.

 

[royfellows]

Thank you alastairgott, for the useful link that answers my questions.

As I said, batteries come overland and can take 10 weeks, other stuff is aluminium heatsink in strips for cutting and re machining, glass lenses, and some PCB boards, about 14 days.

 

[Stu]

3 days is apparently the key number to remember with regard to coronovirus' on hard surfaces, I have just searched for the a reference on t'internet, and came out with this one, which suggests 9days. https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext


But I'm sure that will be a full eradication of any (trace) of the coronavirus.


3 days will be till the taper point of the inverse exponential.

So as far as I know, the key figure to remember is 3 days, ST and Roy can argue all day It seems!

THE KEY THING TO REMEMBER IS: 20sec handwash.
regardless of what hard surface you come into contact with, as long as you're washing your hands there will be no problem.

regardless of the longevity of the virus on surfaces, as long as your not licking all the walls you find, or fondling communal dimmer switches and then touching your eyes cos the lights so bright. you might be alright.


It'll be your hands that are the killer!

Or the hands of the delivery driver you've just accepted your parcel from... 

 

[Jenny P]

The hand sanitiser from our local shop comes in small bottles: one is a 50ml size (?3.80) and the other is 100ml size (?5.00).  The small print on the back of the bottle is so small it's impossible to work out whether it has any alcohol in it - apparently if it doesn't, it's no good.  Plus this morning they had some spray-on hand sanitiser.

Theory says it's actually better to wash your hands with soap and hot water while singing whatever song gets you going - apparently it's the friction of the rubbing which dislodges the "germs".

As for delivery drivers, well I guess you could accept all parcels while wearing rubber gloves and then park the parcel for 3 days.  But that's going to be a bit tricky if you are supposed to be self-isolating and relying on food deliveries ...

 

[MarkS]

Glad I went digging today. Found a 15m long chamber.

It sounds great, but I'm not sure your discovery would be of much consolation to any healthcare professional, rescue team member, or other NHS patients should any accident occur.

Officials have advised against activities in mountainous areas in France, and outdoor climbing and recreational cycling have been banned in Spain. Various mountain rescue teams in the UK have requested everyone avoids unnecessary risks, and the BMC have requested people stick to low risk activities. I don't think these measures or advice would be given without good reason.

I sadly won't be off digging for the foreseeable, but sometimes I think other things have to take priority. I'll try to get exercise by doing something lower risk for the time being.

Each to their own, I suppose.