Peter Burgess
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Parking in Ingleton
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Les W
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There is no Debt!braveduck said:
Only the law enforcement agencies and local authorities have the power to levy penalties or fines. In all of those cases you have the option to go to court to defend yourself.
Infringement of private parking regulations (off highway or in supermarket or other private car parks) is a civil matter. Fines can only be imposed by the court, the case will never go to court as no crime has been committed (civil offence) and they are only allowed to claim reasonable compensation (i.e. If your use of the space lost them a ?1 parking fee then they can only claim ?1. It is very difficult for them to demonstrate that you cost them anything if there were any spaces in the park (and they won't have any evidence to prove it anyway). These private parking companies are scammers and prey on the ignorant and the uninformed.
Have a look at these sites:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=687759
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?autocom=ibwiki&cmd=article&id=56
http://www.bitterwallet.com/dealing-with-parking-tickets-part-1/15305
This site demonstrates that if they attempt to make their "tickets" look like official tickets then they may well be in breach of criminal law:
http://www.ticketfighter.co.uk/private.htm
They cannot sell a debt that doesn't exist.
The company cannot penalise you they can only send you an invoice for reasonable compensation.
You cannot be blacklisted for refusing to pay an invoice.
They cannot send a bailiff to collect the "debt" it is a civil matter and can only be dealt with as a debt if it has been through the courts.
The implied contract is with the driver not the keeper.
You are not required to give them any information, especially who the driver was.
Do not tell them anything and they will go away.
Enter into correspondence and they will keep up with the (empty) threats.
Know your rights in law, don't believe what you are told by others (even me) but do your own research.
nickwilliams
Well-known member
I can confirm from first hand experience that Les is correct.
An outfit tried this on with me when my wife parked for an hour and 50 minutes in an Aldi car park when the time limit posted was an hour and 30.
Here is the form of words I used when I wrote to them after the first "notice of fine" letter arrived. Feel free to copy and use at will.
I received one further letter from the company which I ignored. I've heard nothing since.
Nick.
An outfit tried this on with me when my wife parked for an hour and 50 minutes in an Aldi car park when the time limit posted was an hour and 30.
Here is the form of words I used when I wrote to them after the first "notice of fine" letter arrived. Feel free to copy and use at will.
snotogram to parking scammers said:
I received one further letter from the company which I ignored. I've heard nothing since.
Nick.
SamT
Moderator
I hope you've not parted with any cash yet...
check out this thread...
http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,12269.msg213451.html#msg213451
check out this thread...
http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,12269.msg213451.html#msg213451
AndyF
New member
braveduck said:
No. You can mess these people around ad infinitum if you refuse to be intimidated AND know the rules. Bailiffs cannot enter your premises unless you let them or they have a court order in hand and are accompanied by a police officer.
NEVER EVER EVER let them into your property. If you do they CAN come back when you are not there and break in. Its true. Best till 'em to "go away". If they give you an order, give it them back and say "I have applied for a set-aside order". They have to go away and you have 14 days to apply for it. Which you don't. Repeat until they get fed up.
http://www.whatprice.co.uk/financial/bailiff-debt-guide.html
Crikey whjat a lot of fuss about nothing!
I enjoy caving.
I and my caving buddies enjoy the food, beer and atmosphere at the Wheatsheaf.
I read notices in car parks and fully understand the need for people to protect their own business interests.
I have not had to pay any parking fines at the Wheatsheaf and if I received one having parked there all day I would take it on the chin!
There are numerous free parking options in the Ingleton area.
I enjoy caving.
I and my caving buddies enjoy the food, beer and atmosphere at the Wheatsheaf.
I read notices in car parks and fully understand the need for people to protect their own business interests.
I have not had to pay any parking fines at the Wheatsheaf and if I received one having parked there all day I would take it on the chin!
There are numerous free parking options in the Ingleton area.
Robert Scott
Member
Agreed
I have enjoyed the beer and food at the Wheatsheaf too, whether I continue to do so remains to be seen.
"protecting their business interests" - the pub (I'm guessing as I don't know the exact opening times) was possibly shut and it's not as if people parking in their car park are occupying all the spaces that customers would otherwise occupy! If however people were parked there when the pub was open then yes they are protecting their interests which is fair enough, bit of common sense really.
People parking there in the morning was helping other local businesses and causing the pub no harm.. What a lot of fuss over nothing!!
There are numerous places for parking for free but the best spots (co-op, past Ingl/Bern and up to the Sheaf) are quite often taken and what's left involves much more of a walk. I prefer the short walk and save the longer ones when walking to the caves. (I do enough walking in my life so don't call me lazy!)
"protecting their business interests" - the pub (I'm guessing as I don't know the exact opening times) was possibly shut and it's not as if people parking in their car park are occupying all the spaces that customers would otherwise occupy! If however people were parked there when the pub was open then yes they are protecting their interests which is fair enough, bit of common sense really.
People parking there in the morning was helping other local businesses and causing the pub no harm.. What a lot of fuss over nothing!!
There are numerous places for parking for free but the best spots (co-op, past Ingl/Bern and up to the Sheaf) are quite often taken and what's left involves much more of a walk. I prefer the short walk and save the longer ones when walking to the caves. (I do enough walking in my life so don't call me lazy!)
paul
Moderator
dunc said:
It could be also because they do Bed and Breakfast. Even if the bar is closed, they may wish to have room in their car park for guests...
Either way, its a private car park, the owners obviously don't want non-customers parking there and there is plenty of alternative places to park...
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The Wheatsheaf has a huge 80 cover restaurant which is split between the dining room and conservatory. The Dining room is spacious and comfortable and can cater for 45 people in one sitting. Just off from the dining room is access to the Conservatory where a further 35 diners can be seated. The conservatory is popular with group bookings as doors can be shut to make it a private dinning area for those special occasions or family reunions.
The Wheatsheaf has a full range of menus available including specials and desserts that change weekly. Food is served during the following times
Monday-Friday 12 noon ? 2.30pm and 6pm ? 9pm
Saturday 12 noon ? 9pm
Sunday 12 noon ? 8pm
I'd far rather keep my parking free for a full house in the restaurant than a small gaggle of grumpy cavers who don't even have the decency to ask and might possibly have a pint and a packet of crisps!!!
The Wheatsheaf has a huge 80 cover restaurant which is split between the dining room and conservatory. The Dining room is spacious and comfortable and can cater for 45 people in one sitting. Just off from the dining room is access to the Conservatory where a further 35 diners can be seated. The conservatory is popular with group bookings as doors can be shut to make it a private dinning area for those special occasions or family reunions.
The Wheatsheaf has a full range of menus available including specials and desserts that change weekly. Food is served during the following times
Monday-Friday 12 noon ? 2.30pm and 6pm ? 9pm
Saturday 12 noon ? 9pm
Sunday 12 noon ? 8pm
I'd far rather keep my parking free for a full house in the restaurant than a small gaggle of grumpy cavers who don't even have the decency to ask and might possibly have a pint and a packet of crisps!!!
Peter Burgess
New member
Was there ever a time, many years ago, when the jovial publican would pop out, put a friendly note on the windscreen asking nicely for the driver to park elsewhere, and then said driver on reading the friendly note popped into the pub, expressed genuine sorrow at having transgressed, and that was the end of the matter? Said caver often returned because of the civilised way his transgression had been handled, and the two often met of an evening exchanging pleasantries and quaffing good ale?
If my paltry business isn't worthy then it shall go elsewhere, in fact now I've said that it reminds me that the service in the Sheaf on my last visit was less than satisfactory which proved they want food consumed not worthless shit eating crisps and having a pint. Let them have their full restuarant.
And you still don't get it do you, the pub isn't open for business in a morning so it's not stopping custom so what harm was it causing? :chair:
We mostly do up north, just not got the right to descend a cave on said land
freefall
New member
Hm.. choices choices.. :-\
I disappear for several months tomorrow so I think I may just have to pay it because *if* they were to send other letters or try something stupid, I wouldn't be there to stop them.
I have to say though, I didn't actually see the sign there. After parking there for so long with no problems it seems my brain just chose to ignore it. Having said that, even if I did see it I would probably have ignored it anyway..
I shall consider my wrists suitably slapped.
I disappear for several months tomorrow so I think I may just have to pay it because *if* they were to send other letters or try something stupid, I wouldn't be there to stop them.
I have to say though, I didn't actually see the sign there. After parking there for so long with no problems it seems my brain just chose to ignore it. Having said that, even if I did see it I would probably have ignored it anyway..
I shall consider my wrists suitably slapped.
