Permission from landowner for filming/photos in cave

[Spike]

Dirty tricks again. You are deliberately conflating two different issues. The issue of access to caves on private land which is not Access Land is a completely different matter to Access Land.

No, I'm comparing acknowledgement of a person's wishes against acknowledgement of another's. Who that person is, or what land they hold is irrelevant...

I resent the use of the phrase "dirty tricks" and ask that you retract it.

 

[crickleymal]

Oh for gods' sake give it a rest! Why does everything on here descend into stupid bickering?

 

[paul]

[gmod]Agreed - please keep to the subject matter.[/gmod]

 

[droid]

Small point: we don't have 'access land' for caves yet.

And even if we do, eventually, would it not be wise to respect the landowner's wishes in the case of photography that's put out in the public domain, if only to prevent 'difficulties'?

And I'm speaking generally, not specifically.

The irony of this part of the thread IS pretty amusing though.....

 

[Simon Wilson]

Alex, you clearly don't understand the situation and maybe that isn't your fault. Maybe somebody should have explained how delicate the access situation for this cave is.

Alex has not told the whole story. Apparently, what he did was make a video and post it on Youtube.

Let me compare this to another scenario. Our village has an open gardens weekend every year. The organisers ask people to open their gardens to the public for a weekend. Imagine if you obliged and then somebody made a video of your garden and surroundings including you house doors and windows and put it on Youtube along with your address. I didn't see Alex's video but I can easily imagine that there might have been things in it that really annoyed the landowner.

The landowner wants to maintain a degree of control over who goes to the cave. The landowner is prepared to allow access for responsible, experienced cavers only. They have been very generous in allowing access with minimal conditions. They could have insisted on a gate or they could easily fill it in. They do not want the cave advertising on Youtube and that is easy to understand.

Alex is too young to remember what happened at Dale Barn Cave where the cave was filled in and the entrance totally obliterated.

Alex, you made an innocent and understandable minor error of judgement. You took down the video when asked. Hopefully things will be smoothed over and there will be no serious damage to the relationship with the landowner. Don't do anything to make things worse.

 

[bograt]

Small point: we don't have 'access land' for caves yet.

Except to the 'limit of daylight' ----.

 

[droid]

Small point: we don't have 'access land' for caves yet.

Except to the 'limit of daylight' ----.

Agreed....lol

 

[Alex]

Let me compare this to another scenario. Our village has an open gardens weekend every year. The organisers ask people to open their gardens to the public for a weekend. Imagine if you obliged and then somebody made a video of your garden and surroundings including you house doors and windows and put it on Youtube along with your address. I didn't see Alex's video but I can easily imagine that there might have been things in it that really annoyed the landowner.

That's the thing Vid did not show the address or anything like that, there was a short bit showing outside the cave but not from the entrance and I doubt you would easily work out the location anyway. I understand why you don't want your address being shown as it makes it a target for thieves but this is a cave a natural feature, not a house which was why I was most surprised I was asked to remove it. Yes I was un-aware of any restrictions on vids being made and may I suggest we update CNCC website to reflect this as this is not a normal requirement, at least what I thought hence my original question should we be asking permission whenever we go underground to take photos?