Petzl Croll S issue

[mwitek]

Hi,

I have a problem witch croll S.

Sometimes it doesnt catch On rope 11 and 10,5.

When excersicing indors it is always ok, but sometimes in caves it slips instead of catching a rope. I need to sit in special way, making teeth catch te rope. It even stucks open sometines. And it wasnt very dirty. I cleaned device and it stops to stuck opened but i am affraid that wneh I go caving again, croll gets some dirt and start to slips again.

Does anyone of You has the same issue?

Here is video of cam stucking

 

[Babyhagrid]

May sound silly. But have you tried wd40 and then oiling the spring ? May be some crap built up on the spring that stops it closing as well?

 

[Pete K]

There is certainly a problem with that Croll. If it is not just dirt or a stone jamming the cam that can be removed, then it is probably destined for the scrap. Contact Petzl or the retailer who sold it to you for advice if it is newly purchased.

 

[AKuhlmann]

It looks like your spring has gone - I'd definitely do what Pete has said above. If it were a foot jammer I'd say have a tinker but since it's not it certainly needs replacing if something isn't blocking the toothed cam's recoil.

 

[Fjell]

It’s a crap design for caving. Too small. For peak crapness use it with a Pantin. It repeatedly fails to jam (free fall), even when it isn’t muddy or anything - a first for me. It wears out disgustingly fast. I bought one during a misguided moment of retail therapy. Might be more use as a top jammer. Or something. Am currently giving the CT one a go as it has a chromed cam and feels solid.

 

[Steve Clark]

I had this problem with the croll L too. There is a thread on here somewhere about it in the last year or so.

In my case it was a small amount of dirt behind the cam or in the spring. The spring in the recent crolls is weaker than older versions (& CT).

I put it in the ultrasound bath and had Dave at inglesport have a look at it. He reckoned it was ok and similar to the other new ones in the shop.

If I wear it out, I’ll be buying a CT one, which seems to just be like the old croll with metal catch.

 

[alastairgott]

They work for me, my third? One is still going strong.

Fjell, are you a left footed pantin owner?

If anyone has any that they can’t bear the sight of, I can happily rehome onto my D when the time comes.

 

[cap n chris]

Petzl lost masses of credibility when this product started to have flaws and they ignored them. CT benefitted tremendously. I'm using CT and Harken industries gear nowadays.

 

[Fjell]

They work for me, my third? One is still going strong.

Fjell, are you a left footed pantin owner?

If anyone has any that they can’t bear the sight of, I can happily rehome onto my D when the time comes.

I use it on the right foot. I find it only does it when I am not looking….. Very spooky, I don’t trust it. In fact I am not sure I completely trust it not to become detached altogether.

My wife had problems with a newish large size Croll cam getting caught in the sheath, so that is in the spares box too. Both using CT’s with zero issues. Never buying another Petzl jammer. Since I am never buying another Petzl harness either, that’s a long association fraying somewhat.

 

[Tata2020]

Don't think any one who used CT back to petzl

 

[alastairgott]

I have switched back, but then I’m a petzl fanboy. I had switched to CT because of the hype of the petzl having the rope problems, then I got a free petzl croll (S) because a friend really didn’t get on with it. I think for a while there was a very slight price difference and so I didn’t really see the need to pay more to get a full SRT kit again, I’ve never really looked back from that point 5-6 years ago.

Though looking at a popular distributor of caving wears, the price on ascenders seems to have homogenised to £47.10, so the price argument is a mute point at the moment.

But I’m a stingy penny pincher, my harness is the MtDE club, coming in at £20-50 less that most other harnesses. And I did without a foot ascender for years (again price sensitive, as after all it’s the same cave you’re seeing).

So I wouldn’t really take gear advice from me.

 

[pwhole]

I'm getting about three times more use from the Camp Turbo chest than the Croll. My last Croll lasted less than a year, and my photos of why are on here somewhere. Too far away to dig the photos out again. But after seeing Petzl's recent warning about Grillons being sold with the rope fitted the wrong way round, I think there's something funny going on there.

 

[badger]

For £45.00 I would get a new one,

 

[cavemanmike]

Camp turbo for me but I’ve said this many time on different threads

 

[mwitek]

After cleaning (it wasnt even visually dirty, but something was catching cam as You saw on video) works fine. So, dirt it is not this crolls friend. I will buy turbochest instead.

Thanks for Your answears.

 

[dougle89]

After cleaning (it wasnt even visually dirty, but something was catching cam as You saw on video) works fine. So, dirt it is not this crolls friend. I will buy turbochest instead.

Thanks for Your answears.

Not the croll, but a petzl moan, had a sticky freino after maybe 5 trips, emailed petzl and they said whilst it can be used for caving, i should read all documentation to be aware of its limitations. I had only used it in wet caves and two mines, it hadn't been caked in anything any of its uses. The freino is advertised as the preferred krab for the simple, which is advertised a caving descender. Good job petzl, lol.

 

[cap n chris]

Petzl do try to wangle out of things when their caving products are used for caving. Shame.

 

[Fjell]

Not the croll, but a petzl moan, had a sticky freino after maybe 5 trips, emailed petzl and they said whilst it can be used for caving, i should read all documentation to be aware of its limitations. I had only used it in wet caves and two mines, it hadn't been caked in anything any of its uses. The freino is advertised as the preferred krab for the simple, which is advertised a caving descender. Good job petzl, lol.

I cannot see the point of the Freino, it makes everything worse. Sticks out, erodes itself, misloads the Simple, the gate is on the wall, is expensive. For the same money you can get a krab and a Handy which will prob last far longer.

 

[pwhole]

The Handy rules the roost as a braking krab. Even on 8mm in Titan

 

[cap n chris]

The point of the Frieno is to sell something to people who can already achieve the same effect by using a single standard carabiner,.vertaco -style,. preferably a steel oval.