Petzl Croll S issue

[mwitek]

Interesting. I see literally zero benefit to this over a handy/separate breaking crab and at least one pretty major downside..

If anyone can enlighten me to any positives I’m missing I’d be interested!

Simplicity is the benefit. Handy or additional binner are also simple solutions but, tehre is possibility to make mistake with additional binner.

 

[cap n chris]

As a Caving Instructor I often feel the urge to attempt to be an instructor providing what I perceive to be relevant caving tuition but it does seem to frequently result in people not wishing to be told anything which differs from their homegrown hacks and that's totally cool, I get it; instructors aren't needed or particularly wanted. Retirement has a very welcome aura to it.

 

[Fjell]

As a Caving Instructor I often feel the urge to attempt to be an instructor providing what I perceive to be relevant caving tuition but it does seem to frequently result in people not wishing to be told anything which differs from their homegrown hacks and that's totally cool, I get it; instructors aren't needed or particularly wanted. Retirement has a very welcome aura to it.

I retired at 49, it has it’s upsides.

I read somewhere that 90% of caving trips are outdoor pursuits activities led by instructors. It’s an alternate universe.

I once set up a college club. I think it is fair to say it was a learning curve since no-one else had ever been caving and my only text was Merediths book. Nobody died. Within 2-3 years we were rigging 700m deep caves in France. The only training we ever got was after talking the union into funding 4 days with Dave Elliot on rigging and rescue. He was very kind about it and it was very cheap I think. That was a step up. He was still writing his rigging guide and it was a revelation doing some of the routes he gave us topos for.

 

[JoshW]

Simplicity is the benefit. Handy or additional binner are also simple solutions but, tehre is possibility to make mistake with additional binner.

Thanks for answering, appreciate the time taken!

 

[mwitek]

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As for the OPs reply - if you cleaned the Croll and sorted the issue, do you need to replace it? Caving kit gets jammed up and gunky from time to time, it's the nature of what we do. Any ascender is potentially going to experience the same issue if you're unlucky. The Turbochests are fine, I have one on a harness, but I didn't notice any improvement over the Petzl or CT chest ascenders personally.

It stucks too often and too easy, I havent this problems with older croll in the same caves/situations. This croll s wasnt even very dirty. I think it is construction problem, maybe too weak spring if little bit of dirt stucks it.