Response to BBC Ultimate Caving...
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Peter Burgess
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You mean this year's lecture programme isn't filled yet?
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darkplaces
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oooo yes pleasePeter Burgess said:
. Will she be modelling new under suits (which can be auctioned later for MRO)Peter Burgess
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nah, she wouldn't come, for fear of bumping into Dave Nixon again!c**tplaces said:oooo yes pleasePeter Burgess said:
Ed W
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After finally getting to watch the programme, I have to say it wasn't too bad. I can see Andy's point of view about maintaining certain predjudices, but I think it gave a pretty goo dflavour of what UK caving is about to the layman. My one big disappointment was that it concentrated on the "assault course" perception of caving, without really pointing out how vulnerable the underground environment is. A brief (even a sentence or two) added to the script (with the formations in Danny would have been ideal) would not have detracted form the programme in any way.
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Downer
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I hate Ultimate Caving.
Of course I greatly enjoyed it and telling my non-caving friends which bits I'd done, and saying things like "Oh look, someone's put a floodlight in the sump, you don't see that very often" and pooh-poohing Kate Humble: "Don't worry dear, if you had 36D's they'd squash down, it's only solid bone that gets stuck" and "Yes it's a wet cave but it was wetter than that just last week".
BUT...
Their reaction was like the obnoxious Pisshead. "Complete waste of time! Why should taxpayer's money be wasted rescuing people who do pointless things like that?" This from friends who have previously been politely interested in my strange underground habits. It would, of course, have been idle to point out mere facts about CR, the program had already done its intended damage.
And like Andy, I hated the choppy editing which completely ruined the integrity of Swildon's streamway. But, then, it wasn't supposed to be about caving, it was about something the media have invented called ultimate sport. What a pity it's so artificial that it needs a fictititious cave, the real thing is not good enough.
For all that, it was a good watch and Kate Humble managed to remain looking sweet throughout, unlike the terrified wretches in the other programs in the series One up for caving then.
Of course I greatly enjoyed it and telling my non-caving friends which bits I'd done, and saying things like "Oh look, someone's put a floodlight in the sump, you don't see that very often" and pooh-poohing Kate Humble: "Don't worry dear, if you had 36D's they'd squash down, it's only solid bone that gets stuck" and "Yes it's a wet cave but it was wetter than that just last week".
BUT...
Their reaction was like the obnoxious Pisshead. "Complete waste of time! Why should taxpayer's money be wasted rescuing people who do pointless things like that?" This from friends who have previously been politely interested in my strange underground habits. It would, of course, have been idle to point out mere facts about CR, the program had already done its intended damage.
And like Andy, I hated the choppy editing which completely ruined the integrity of Swildon's streamway. But, then, it wasn't supposed to be about caving, it was about something the media have invented called ultimate sport. What a pity it's so artificial that it needs a fictititious cave, the real thing is not good enough.
For all that, it was a good watch and Kate Humble managed to remain looking sweet throughout, unlike the terrified wretches in the other programs in the series
One up for caving then.
cap n chris
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Downer said:
Clearly you will have easily managed to counter their misguided assertion(s).
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BenM
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I reckon we ban all the general public from swimming/sailing/diving in the sea! Is taxpayers money wasted in rescuing people in these situations? There really is no point in doing that is there?Downer said:
http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-press-releases?id=58A1DE0C3CA8EB43&m=9&y=2007
cap n chris
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If the contention is that saving life is a waste of money (arguable, of course!) then logically medicine, NHS etc. can be ceased immediately.
No, the easy refutation is based on the fact that taxpayers' money is not used to fund cave rescue. Another easy refutation is that there will always be a percentage of taxpayers who disagree with certain elements of general government expenditure but such groups of people do not have any say in the spending policies - i.e. pacifists disagreeing with nuclear arms spending etc..
No, the easy refutation is based on the fact that taxpayers' money is not used to fund cave rescue. Another easy refutation is that there will always be a percentage of taxpayers who disagree with certain elements of general government expenditure but such groups of people do not have any say in the spending policies - i.e. pacifists disagreeing with nuclear arms spending etc..
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Downer
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Counter them? I wish!
By the time the film had done its work, they were well beyond reason. They were practically sobbing at just the thought of being under all that rock. "Serves the idiots right if they die!" is the last defence against the horror of it all.
Public money not used for cave rescue? Thanks to Ultimate Caving, "they" are worthless scum who deserve to die and rot in their ridiculous tunnels, so just a few hours in A&E under observation for shock and hypothermia is an unwarrented waste of "our" taxes.
By the time the film had done its work, they were well beyond reason. They were practically sobbing at just the thought of being under all that rock. "Serves the idiots right if they die!" is the last defence against the horror of it all.
Public money not used for cave rescue? Thanks to Ultimate Caving, "they" are worthless scum who deserve to die and rot in their ridiculous tunnels, so just a few hours in A&E under observation for shock and hypothermia is an unwarrented waste of "our" taxes.
cap n chris
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Downer said:
Perhaps they drink alcohol, smoke, or eat unhealthily. If so it serves the idiots right if they die.
[I admit to being an idiot in my earlier days BTW].
slippery_matt
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not that i want to revive this topic, but I noticed on another thread that some people missed the show. You can stream / download it here;
http://stage6.divx.com/user/caver/video/1595383/kate-humble-freaking-out-in-a-cave
don't think she really freaked out that much tho :-\
http://stage6.divx.com/user/caver/video/1595383/kate-humble-freaking-out-in-a-cave
don't think she really freaked out that much tho :-\
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Downer
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They didn't show those bits!slippery_matt said:
Well, a mate in one of my clubs told me that enquiries about trying caving had increased noticeably after the programme.
Now, in the odd case, that could be partly down to people who would have been in contact eventually having been accelerated into early action, but it certainly doesn't look like people were put off in droves.
Now, in the odd case, that could be partly down to people who would have been in contact eventually having been accelerated into early action, but it certainly doesn't look like people were put off in droves.
whitelackington
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Les W said:Geoff R said:
Surely she would waive any charges in recognition of everything she got out of the experience.
Perhaps
she might like to try Fannies Rift :-\I know of two lads who have gone caving as a direct result of the prog. They are keen to do more. A couple of weeks ago we watched a tape of the prog after a rugby match. All the blokes sighed and watched with interest as Ms Humble did her stuff. However, they said caving wasn't for them given the 'horrors' portrayed until the women reminded them that a mere girlie had gone for it and succeeded. Quick clearing of throats and justifications followed by some who said they would have a go.
Ms Humble on the ladder in Long Churn(?) reminded me of my first attempt at climbing a ladder. :-[
BTW on a recent expedition Steve Backshall was swept into an Alaskan moulin. The accompanying TV crew had to fish him out. After that experience I wonder if he thought caving was a safer option.
Ms Humble on the ladder in Long Churn(?) reminded me of my first attempt at climbing a ladder. :-[
BTW on a recent expedition Steve Backshall was swept into an Alaskan moulin. The accompanying TV crew had to fish him out. After that experience I wonder if he thought caving was a safer option.
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Downer
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She obviously had a bit of tuition between caves!sherpa said:
