Scraper boxes

Kevin_Williams

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Tom, in the early 70's while fluorspar mining at Redburn mine, Rookhope. For stope cleaning a two drum scraper was used, firstly we pulled it up the stope's access ladder-way. We made it simple by rigging the tail rope over a pulley that we fixed to the top of the stope ladder-way and returned the rope directly to the scraper unit. We then closed the tail brake band so that the unit was able to pull itself up to the top of the stope with its own air power. We had to do this steadily as we moved up ourselves so we could keep the brake band under control. For stope cleaning we would pass the tail rope through a pulley at the far end of the stope and attach it to the back of the scraper hoe with the pulling rope attached to the front of the hoe to enable the filled hoe to be pulled to the scraper unit. For speed in setting the scraping operation up quickly we sometimes wedged a timber into the rock pile in the stope where we could attach the return pulley onto it.
When emptying the stope, the practice of controlling the momentum of the hoe ensured it was easy to place it right at the far end of the stope.
The access ladder-way was usually positioned between two box-holes on the sub level where a wagon was used to empty the box which was filled by the stope?s slushier operation. The full wagon was moved to a dump hole where it was transferred down the ore pass. Trammers on the main 17 fathom level then pulled the transfer pass to fill a train of ore wagons that would be transported back to the shaft for hoisting.
I did use a three drum unit in a wide stope while I was there where there were two tail ropes that enables the hoe to be positioned towards the sides of the stope.
The action of pulling on a brake band lever does operate that drum which pulls the rope. The direction of movement depends on whether the rope is a tail or a pull one.
In England I also experienced 3 drum air slushers in operation from the late 1970?s to 1989 at Geevor Mine. More recently I?ve used an electric 3 drum slusher at South Crofty Mine which for a while we loaded directly into a scooptram!!
On another note, I notice the pictures showing several scrapers in operation do not have any safety features. The Chinese one go's part ways there with the rope roller guides. Should any rope snap there is no protection on any drum shown. The slushers/scrapers I have used in Cornwall all have the necessary guides that would probably comply with current mining and other safety legislation.   
 

pwhole

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I'm finding all this fascinating, but that was my main thought in all this - what happens if it goes wrong? As in, the scraper just gets totally jammed? Presumably there's only so much load the pulley anchors can take? The winch guy seems awfully vulnerable in that situation. Also the noise operating these things in an enclosed space must be close to unbearable? I'm not seeing many ear-defenders, but is that as they were already deaf? I know Mark can still hear though, so maybe not :)
 

LJR

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Phil, if you look carefully at the photo of Dave Williams, he is wearing defenders. You can just see the orange pivots on his helmet through the condensation that the slusher has chucked out.
As conscientious employers we always provided our men with safety gear.  ;)
I believe TW still has that slusher and bucket in working condition.
 

tomferry

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I am assuming the dangers people are speaking about  flying winch wires etc ?  I did think this myself when I use to have to go collect tarmac on the tipper vans they have set ups that bring the cooking tarmac up to the hopper this is powered by big winch around this winch is a very heavy duty mesh cage , I saw a winch wire break off roading before luckily the guy had his Landrover bonnet up and it hit that I wouldn?t want to be on a receiving end of any of them .
 

pwhole

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LJR said:
Phil, if you look carefully at the photo of Dave Williams, he is wearing defenders. You can just see the orange pivots on his helmet through the condensation that the slusher has chucked out.

Haha, yes, I stand corrected! Seems sensible to wear them really with that racket going on. To be honest I wouldn't mind a ten-min audio recording of one of those operating at full bore - you could have some fun with that on a computer :)

I had a close shave a few years ago load-testing some abseiling rails, lifting up a 600 kg weight-box with a Tirfor clone. The entire front end of the casting broke off the winch, the mechanism collapsed, the weight box hit the floor (luckily only a few inches up, but only a few inches from my feet), and the lifiting cable twanged up into the roof and nearly took out my colleague, who was moving the abseil trolleys along for testing. The winch was rated for at least 800kg, so that was pretty shit all round. At least we got to go home early. I doubt they bought a better-quality winch as a replacement.
 

Mark

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pwhole said:
I'm finding all this fascinating, but that was my main thought in all this - what happens if it goes wrong? As in, the scraper just gets totally jammed? Presumably there's only so much load the pulley anchors can take? The winch guy seems awfully vulnerable in that situation. Also the noise operating these things in an enclosed space must be close to unbearable? I'm not seeing many ear-defenders, but is that as they were already deaf? I know Mark can still hear though, so maybe not :)

As I recall, you had to keep a lot of pressure on the lever to get the rope to move, if the bucket got stuck it just stopped, you couldn't apply enough pressure to keep the drum turning & break the rope, (each drum had a sort of band brake/clutch thing) which you had to pull really hard to make things move

It was a case of crawling down the heading and freeing the bucket when things came to a stop,

I don't remember it being particularly noisy more of a rumble than a screaming air motor, I do however struggle with my hearing now, particularly when there is a lot of background noise.

 

LJR

Member
Mark said:
As I recall, you had to keep a lot of pressure on the lever to get the rope to move, if the bucket got stuck it just stopped, you couldn't apply enough pressure to keep the drum turning & break the rope, (each drum had a sort of band brake/clutch thing) which you had to pull really hard to make things move

True, which is why you will notice Dave Williams has two bits of scaffold tube stuck over the handles to get more leverage!
 

Kevin_Williams

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A couple of further points on operating a scraper at Redburn. If the bucket got stuck and the return pulley was tending to pull out the usual practice was to place a stick of powder against the rock that prevent the bucket moving.

I am aware of the bad practice whereby a miner helped the bucket to move by standing and bouncing on the back end of it. To prevent him him falling over he was holding onto the return rope. With the rope moving in both directions either side of the return pulley it was just a matter of time before an accident occurred.

If the rope broke while operating the machine you would stop the machine simply by releasing the brake band. If the rope was repairable this would be done correctly using u-bolt rope clamps (or incorrectly by tying a reef knot in it). Should a rope repair feed into the scraper drum it might cause problems which meant that the rope was replaced.

Later on at Geevor rope guards were mounted onto the unit that prevented the rope whip-lashing over the machine. 
 

Manicminer

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We had a few at Gwynfynydd gold mine in the 1990's.
Double drum 'slusher' air winch, pulley that you fitted on a short wire rope with a wedge holding it in a drill hole(forgotten the name of it).
Worked well for scraping the stopes to the kibbles
 

tomferry

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All the books I been reading make much more sense now due to all the very helpful points / usage guides above .  I am glad I found a couple of these to look at their interesting things when you understand how their used simple but effective  (y)
 
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