Suggestions, please!

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DaveB

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Hi all,

I was due to go down Nettle Pot this weekend. Unfortunately, the team member who was going to collect the ropes has gone down with tonsillitis, and I have no chance to pick them up before Saturday (when the trip is planned). I do have a 50m rope at home.

I really don't want to cancel the day's caving altogether. So, I'm after suggestions for an SRT trip in the Peaks that can be done with a single 50m rope.

Ordinarily, I would plan the tackle around the caves, not the other way around! But given the constraints, can anyone suggest anything suitable, please?

Thank you,

Dave
 
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mikem

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Son of longcliffe comes up od... (& Feedback form doesn't accept country with a space after it)

"If you insist on caving in lesser regions, like Yorkshire, then these are available from a drop down box." As is Scotland
 
wellyjen

wellyjen

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mikem said:
Son of longcliffe comes up od...

"If you insist on caving in lesser regions, like Yorkshire, then these are available from a drop down box." As is Scotland
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Yes, I noticed the Son of Longcliffe typo too. Will fix.
Scotland is a bit limited at the moment. There are other SRT trips in the country, they just need rope length, entered, if anyone has the data.
 
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caving_fox

caving_fox

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DaveB said:
Hi all,

I was due to go down Nettle Pot this weekend. Unfortunately, the team member who was going to collect the ropes has gone down with tonsillitis, and I have no chance to pick them up before Saturday (when the trip is planned). I do have a 50m rope at home.

I really don't want to cancel the day's caving altogether. So, I'm after suggestions for an SRT trip in the Peaks that can be done with a single 50m rope.

Ordinarily, I would plan the tackle around the caves, not the other way around! But given the constraints, can anyone suggest anything suitable, please?

Thank you,

Dave
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Not many single rope caves. Giants is the obvious one! (admire the new bolt placement). Time to try something more esoteric? Owl hole? Layby etc?
 
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i think it goes

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caving_fox said:
Not many single rope caves. Giants is the obvious one! (admire the new bolt placement). Time to try something more esoteric? Owl hole? Layby etc?
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Can recommend owl hole! Really fantastic cave and an interesting approach. Although not especially long it does have some pretty bits and definitely worth a jaunt. Iirc can be paired with Bottle Pot (?) to make a bit of a longer day out. But can't remember if bottle pot needs more than one rope
 
wellyjen

wellyjen

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Can recommend owl hole! Really fantastic cave and an interesting approach. Although not especially long it does have some pretty bits and definitely worth a jaunt. Iirc can be paired with Bottle Pot (?) to make a bit of a longer day out. But can't remember if bottle pot needs more than one rope
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As @mikem says, Bottle Pot can be done with a 50m. You stay on the rope for all the vertical stuff. You'll need to arrange access, but the landowners are lovely people. It is close to Owl Hole, so you can do both.
 
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mikem

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Interestingly putting 5+45 brings up no caves except rope in-situ ones
10+40 only adds a far sump extension
15+35 means 10 more possible trips including hillocks, putwell and snake that don't come up for 35+15
20+30 = 18 which includes Snake, but isn't option with 30+20
25+25 = 22 (bottle pot shows not possible with 30+20 even though it is)
30+20 = 22 (only pindale being new)
35+15 = 23 (lathkill head and Middleton dale trips become possible, but these are same ropes that only show 10 trips when entered other way around)
40+10 = 20 (nothing added that can't be done with 35, but lost some using 15)
45+5 = 18 (adds gentlewomans pipe, but 5m rope no use anywhere)
50 = 20 (adds in a giants trip - but you also need 20m for garlands - plus hungerhill; strangely 0+50 gives the same results when it doesn't for other lengths)

There don't appear to be any trips that could be done by cutting them to odder lengths (checked by seeing what was possible with 60m of rope, which only added one route in giants at 15+40 - same problem as above - and snelslow 18+40)

The calculator ought to be able to cope with ropes in any order, but currently it doesn't.
 
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mikem

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If you agree to joining 45+5 then it brings you back to same trips you can do with single 50 (chances are that you won't need to knot pass if you use the 5m at top).
40+10 back up to 23 trips
35+15 up to 26
30+20 also 26 (haven't checked if exactly the same)
25+25 also 26 (bottle pot replaces something...)
20+30 "only" 25 (snake mine is back in)
15+35 = 25 again (but hillocks and putwell return)
10+40 & 5+45 bring you back to the same trips you can do with a single 50m and only far sump can be done with just 10m; although obviously joining the ropes could mean they are too short for those pitches requiring a full 50m.
 
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jasonbirder

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Many people are aware of my love for this particular trip - what about Hungerhill Swallet?
Joking aside, there's Water Icicle and Lathkill Head top entrance that fit your requirements nicely.
 
wellyjen

wellyjen

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mikem said:
Water icicle didn't come up on calculator, although it is in rigging guide for 34m rope
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Weird. It should have come up. I've had a quick look at the derbyshire.txt file that it uses and there isn't an obvious syntax problem with the line for Water Icicle, or the ones before and after that might lead to it being missed. One for @aricooperdavis I think.

Thanks for your experimentation and picking up some other anomalies too.
 
aricooperdavis

aricooperdavis

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mikem said:
Interestingly putting 5+45 brings up no caves except rope in-situ ones
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I can't replicate this behaviour, in fact for all of the examples you give it seems to behave as expected...

It's possibly a problem on certain browsers. Would you be able to message me or reply with a link generated from whatsmybrowser.org so that I can troubleshoot?

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Water icicle didn't come up on calculator, although it is in rigging guide for 34m rope
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This was broken yesterday when the typo for "Son od Longcliffe" was fixed and another typo was accidentally introduced. I've now fixed this again.
 
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mikem

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Apparently I'm using chrome 130. I get the same results on your original calculator as I do through the CCPC site (water icicle has indeed returned)
 
aricooperdavis

aricooperdavis

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That was a fun bug - I wasn't aware that the default sort functions in Chrome and Firefox don't behave the same way! I've fixed the bug and you should see the correct behaviour once caches have updated. Many thanks for the bug reports 👍
 
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