cap n chris
Well-known member
"The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there".
Swildons STONERS!!!!
- Thread starter Dave
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Peter Burgess
New member
That's far out, man. Real deep.
tony from suffolk
Well-known member
Cap'n Chris: if you're implying I'm an old has-been; you're probably right!
Sorry guys, iv been out of this conversation for a while-and how it has progressed since my first post!
emgee- I'm not a violent person,as you hinted in one of your earlier posts-and as i stated in a previous post in reply to a comment stupot made, any actions i may have described would not have been carried out because the law would have been against me and like i said i am not violent.
As for me having a go at someone for having a fag-thats bollocks! there is a completely different smell between the two for a start- i know people who smoke weed and the smell is strong when not in a confined space-so it was discusting in the sump chamber, very sweet but stale at the same time.
smoking underground happens, over here and in other countries, fair enough, if your fags last long enough in the cave environment then you deserve 1-but i personally would not have the smell in a confined space. just because you smoke in a large chamber it does not mean the smoke will not be carried further into the cave and the smell will also stay on the person. i have noting against smokers and that was never my original complaint.
i feel i now have to defend myself because i feel some comments that have been made are unfair, and OK i admit maybe my comments about the 2 lads may have been unfair- as i cannot prove it was them who left the coke bottels, but it was them who left the dog ends that i had to take out!
If you are going to smoke take any leftovers out with you, is that fair enough?
Dave
emgee- I'm not a violent person,as you hinted in one of your earlier posts-and as i stated in a previous post in reply to a comment stupot made, any actions i may have described would not have been carried out because the law would have been against me and like i said i am not violent.
As for me having a go at someone for having a fag-thats bollocks! there is a completely different smell between the two for a start- i know people who smoke weed and the smell is strong when not in a confined space-so it was discusting in the sump chamber, very sweet but stale at the same time.
smoking underground happens, over here and in other countries, fair enough, if your fags last long enough in the cave environment then you deserve 1-but i personally would not have the smell in a confined space. just because you smoke in a large chamber it does not mean the smoke will not be carried further into the cave and the smell will also stay on the person. i have noting against smokers and that was never my original complaint.
i feel i now have to defend myself because i feel some comments that have been made are unfair, and OK i admit maybe my comments about the 2 lads may have been unfair- as i cannot prove it was them who left the coke bottels, but it was them who left the dog ends that i had to take out!
If you are going to smoke take any leftovers out with you, is that fair enough?
Dave
ian.p
Active member
if people have gota use weed underground why not bake it into a cake that way we dont have to smell it and they get some extra cave food evryone wins! except of cours cave rescue when they have to cart you out but at least they wont have to administer so much painkiller. personaly i wouldnt perticulaly like to go caving with someone with a severe hang over let alone stoned. anyone whos intoxicated with any substance isnt going to be as atentive when belaying or spoting other members of a party and probably arnt going to be paying as much atention to where theyre puting there head hands and feet. i do think theres an important distinction between the use of stimulants and depresents/halocengenics underground if you want to smoke underground its unplesent(i am aginst smoking anything underground as it shows disrespect for other cavers in my opinion) for the rest of youre party but unless you have a severe asmatic or similer with you its unlikly to put any of youre groupe at risk if however you are not concentrating on what you or another member of youre party is doing because youre stoned or drunk and you put someone else at risk becase of it then that’s unaceptable and said stoner should be sevearly bollocked :chair:
whitelackington
New member
One of our themes has been bad air in caves,
we don't need peoples smoke as well.
we don't need peoples smoke as well.
Any way i just wanted to warn people what i saw, and i may not have worded my feelings and thoughts as well as i could have (think before you type)-and i have apologized for anything that has upset or annoyed any one. I'm still new to the forum so i don't want to go pissing any of you guys off quite yet, and you never know i may see you when I'm next down on mendip and id rather have a pint with you rather than the finger :icon_321: for anything said on this post!
cheers guys,
Dave
cheers guys,
Dave
ditzy 24//7
Active member
what is this july ban about anyhow?
darthnoddy
Member
after july anyone caught smoking in a public place will be executed by firing squad
ditzy 24//7
Active member
ok well maybe they will get a fine or so but a firering squad?
ditzy 24//7
Active member
although that wud be gud its a bit drastic !
ditzy 24//7
Active member
well i hope that a cave does as there wouldnt be a chance f there being smoke within a cave that way 
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emgee
Guest
ditzy 24//7 said:well i hope that a cave does as there wouldnt be a chance f there being smoke within a cave that way
Somehow the idea of Her Majesty's Constabulary venturing down Swildon's to nick someone for smoking whilst undoubtedly highly entertaining seems rather unlikely.
I THINK the law will be that any place that serves food of any kind (as in chip-meals crisps etc don't count) will not allow smoking, don't quote me on that but my mate works in a restaurant and he seems to think that will be the first steps.
I told my self id log off and do some paperwork tonight and stop posting-addictive forum :-[ !!
I told my self id log off and do some paperwork tonight and stop posting-addictive forum :-[ !!
anfieldman
New member
Dave said:
Don't worry Dave. I have the same thoughts every time I post something! Somebody will nearly always disagree or seem pissed off with your views. We are after all only human. It really pisses me off the way that some people treat the caves that we take so much enjoyment from so I think your views were ok.
Cheers
Mark
Les W
Active member
Dave said:
The act of parliament is quite specific and as we are in Britain I'm sure it will be implemented fully by our bureaucratic jobs worth enforcement agencies and government.
The act can be viewed online here:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/60028--b.htm#2
The relevant section of the act is here:
2 Smoke-free premises
(1) Premises are smoke-free if they are open to the public.
But unless the premises also fall within subsection (2), they are smoke-free only when open to the public.
(2) Premises are smoke-free if they are used as a place of work-
(a) by more than one person (even if the persons who work there do so at different times, or only intermittently), or
(b) where members of the public might attend for the purpose of seeking or receiving goods or services from the person or persons working there (even if members of the public are not always present).
They are smoke-free all the time.
(3) If only part of the premises is open to the public or (as the case may be) used as a place of work mentioned in subsection (2), the premises are smoke-free only to that extent.
(4) In any case, premises are smoke-free only in those areas which are enclosed or substantially enclosed.
(5) The appropriate national authority may specify in regulations what "enclosed" and "substantially enclosed" mean.
(6) Section 3 provides for some premises, or areas of premises, not to be smoke-free despite this section.
(7) Premises are "open to the public" if the public or a section of the public has access to them, whether by invitation or not, and whether on payment or not.
(8) "Work", in subsection (2), includes voluntary work.
ditzy 24//7
Active member
maybe it would just be eayer to just ban smoking altogether apart from within your own how?
bubba
Administrator
Hmmm - interesting topic this
I have a big problem with litter in caves, and really smoking anything should be discouraged as it's bad for the cave environment, and beasties such as bats.
As for the drug issue - let's get real here. Millions of people smoke cannabis in the UK, and in my mind it occupies no different place to alcohol, tobacco, or any other narcotic you care to mention. I find it hard to believe that in 2007 anyone finds cannabis use that outrageous.
Also, there really is no way of knowing who left the litter in there. Just because people like a toke it doesn't mean it was them who dropped the litter.
The last time I was in Swildons I found a human shit in the middle of a dry bit of passage. That sort of thing is far more offensive to me to be honest.
I have a big problem with litter in caves, and really smoking anything should be discouraged as it's bad for the cave environment, and beasties such as bats.
As for the drug issue - let's get real here. Millions of people smoke cannabis in the UK, and in my mind it occupies no different place to alcohol, tobacco, or any other narcotic you care to mention. I find it hard to believe that in 2007 anyone finds cannabis use that outrageous.
Also, there really is no way of knowing who left the litter in there. Just because people like a toke it doesn't mean it was them who dropped the litter.
The last time I was in Swildons I found a human shit in the middle of a dry bit of passage. That sort of thing is far more offensive to me to be honest.
