"The Economic Miracle of China" Is the pollution worth it?

[whitelackington]

Now milk and water are poisoned
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7665193.stm
Industrial arsenic has entered their drinking water
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7664339.stm

 

[whitelackington]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7694014.stm

China's coal industry has hidden annual costs of $250bn (?159bn) in terms of damage to health and the environment, a report by Chinese experts says.

The report said pollution affected water, land and air around mines.

It also said the burning of coal led to emissions of mercury and acid rain, and mining accidents killed nearly 3,800 people and injured many more in 2007.

 

[whitelackington]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7697929.stm

Chinese realize the dangers of global warming
but are prepared to do f*** ALL
to conteract it.

 

[cap n chris]

Hmm, I suspect there may be some Chinese genes in my family tree.

 

[Elaine]

Why is that Cap'n? Is it because you are short?

 

[cap n chris]

Depends which direction you're looking at me from, I guess.

 

[Elaine]

From way up here from where I view. (It is my fault for being far too big).
Otherwise it might have something to do with all of those Chinese take-aways you used to enjoy!!

 

[underground]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7697929.stm

Chinese realize the dangers of global warming
but are prepared to do f*** ALL
to conteract it.

Your hook was baited with such a juicy maggot, I had to bite, you racist, bigoted idiot... Why should 'the Chinese' be the ones to do anything, given their ability to become entrepreneurs and members of a global economic community, instead of a nation of dictator led, feudal peasants?

The 'better developed' Western countries have been and are still guilty of all you level at China, since the industrial revolution, and are now being forced to pay the price whether that be the shite state of the environment or the generally laughable measure required of the corporations to start taking any measure of 'responsibility' given the paradox of limited liability corporations vs. social responsibility. They only do it because it's a legal requirement, 'we' only do it because we have had the luxury of years of 'luxury' by comparison to those poor fuckers you're so quick to condemn.

whitelackington, presumably you've carried out a full audit of your environmental and social responsibilities locally and globally, please would you share the findings with the group?

 

[whitelackington]

Now they are poisoning eggs with the same shit they poisoned milk
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/68442/China-launches-tainted-eggs-probe
"The widening food scare has exposed the inability of Chinese authorities to keep the food production process clean of melamine,
the chemical that sparked the recent dairy crisis"

 

[graham]

whitelackington, presumably you've carried out a full audit of your environmental and social responsibilities locally and globally, please would you share the findings with the group?

No fucking chance. As per usual he'll ignore your response and simply post more racist bile. 

Y'know, I am aware that he posts on this forum, but there appears to be no evidence that he ever reads anything on it. 

 

[paul]

whitelackington, presumably you've carried out a full audit of your environmental and social responsibilities locally and globally, please would you share the findings with the group?

No fucking chance. As per usual he'll ignore your response and simply post more racist bile. 

Y'know, I am aware that he posts on this forum, but there appears to be no evidence that he ever reads anything on it. 

There's no evidence he writes anything either: simply cutting and pasting and posting links together with a few spurious comments hardly counts as original thought.

The complete lack of any reasoned argument despite many others asking Whitelackington to suggest his own solutions to what he considers as important problems proves he is simply attempting to wind others up.

 

[whitelackington]

whitelackington, presumably you've carried out a full audit of your environmental and social responsibilities locally and globally, please would you share the findings with the group?

No fucking chance. As per usual he'll ignore your response and simply post more racist bile. 

Y'know, I am aware that he posts on this forum, but there appears to be no evidence that he ever reads anything on it. 

I am unsure how it is racist to point out that the chinese are burning more coal than anyone else
but others are expected to burn less coal
do we want to live in a thought police world?
Let us not mention anything incase we are being accused of racisim,
not mentioning things, is that not similar to burying our heads in the sand
and hoping the whirlwind will pass us by?


By the way,
try checking out the title of this topic.

 

[Elaine]

I am very pleased to see you standing up for yourself whitelackington. It would be nice to see more of it.

The point that someone was trying to make was that we in the Western world did exactly the same as the Chinese are doing now once. And how can we sit on our morally high horses telling them they shouldn't? I can see what you are trying to say. I just cannot see how it can be changed.

They are being hit by the potential world recession as the rest of us though, so their industrial output is going to decline. therefore they will burn less coal and pollute less.

 

[cap n chris]

One wonders whether the recession will result in less tree hugging and more reality in Western manufacturing practices. i.e. overall productivity dwindles but polluting practices, as a result of cutbacks and economic necessity, increases.

 

[Hughie]

I think you may well be right, Cap.

I also think that the "Financial " industry needs to realise it's nothing more than service industry, supporting industries that actually produce something tangible - rather than shuffle valueless bits of paper around, making money on the back of it.

 

[cap n chris]

Until recently the financial industry in the UK "produced" 40% of the nation's income. And it was taxed. A lot.

One wonders how much money the government intends to print now that it's in charge of making things work. Robert Mugabe should get a consultancy role.

 

[gus horsley]

One wonders how much money the government intends to print now that it's in charge of making things work. Robert Mugabe should get a consultancy role.

It might be marginally better to have a consultancy based on the views of several notable members of this forum.  Any offers?

 

[whitelackington]

Quote underground
"Your hook was baited with such a juicy maggot, I had to bite, you racist, bigoted idiot... Why should 'the Chinese' be the ones to do anything, given their ability to become entrepreneurs and members of a global economic community, instead of a nation of dictator led, feudal peasants?

The 'better developed' Western countries have been and are still guilty of all you level at China, since the industrial revolution, and are now being forced to pay the price whether that be the shite state of the environment or the generally laughable measure required of the corporations to start taking any measure of 'responsibility' given the paradox of limited liability corporations vs. social responsibility. They only do it because it's a legal requirement, 'we' only do it because we have had the luxury of years of 'luxury' by comparison to those poor fuckers you're so quick to condemn.

whitelackington, presumably you've carried out a full audit of your environmental and social responsibilities locally and globally, please would you share the findings with the group?"
[/quote]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7701477.stm
The toxic chemical melamine is probably being routinely added to Chinese animal feed, state media has reported.

Correspondents say the unusually frank reports in several news outlets are an admission that contamination could be widespread throughout the food chain


I hope you don't think this report is racist, bigoted, idiocy.
The chinese themselves are reporting this contamination,
underground
:

 

[Peter Burgess]

Ah, but when did we last hear any of Whitelackingtons own pearls of wisdom instead of a quote from something he read in a newspaper or on the BBC website? The total sum of Whitelackingtons opinion on this message board tends to be gross generalisations and often ill informed and misleading one liners. Please keep it up because it serves as a free reminder to me to make sure I never buy a national newspaper again. And please note that I am not accusing Whitelackington of being a racist. Racists do, however, suffer from similar shortcomings, specifically promoting gross generalisations and misleading one liners.

 

[whitelackington]

I am very pleased to see you standing up for yourself whitelackington. It would be nice to see more of it.

The point that someone was trying to make was that we in the Western world did exactly the same as the Chinese are doing now once. And how can we sit on our morally high horses telling them they shouldn't? I can see what you are trying to say. I just cannot see how it can be changed.

They are being hit by the potential world recession as the rest of us though, so their industrial output is going to decline. therefore they will burn less coal and pollute less.

I don't believe we fed  melamine to animals,
thus contaminating our food chain