unicycling in caves

Steffan

New member
Hi there,

I am a long time caver- first time poster on here. I have had this page linked to me by some of my friends who follow these forums who are concerned about some responses to the Cave Unicycling video which I feature in. I hope I can address some of these concerns as I have no interest in upsetting people and I fear conclusions may be drawn without knowledge of the facts.

First of all it seems wise to establish my caving credentials, I have been leading trips into the three caves included in the video for the last 6 years. Thomas and Mike are not leaders but have plenty of underground experience and for Katie it was her first time underground. I consider myself a competent cave leader with a good understanding of these caves and a healthy respect for good caving practice, which, as with every caving trip, was communicated to the rest of the group.

With regards to unicycling- it is easy to assume that it would be irresponsible to do it underground as they are notoriously difficult to ride and everyone hears stories of someone trying to ride one and falling and hurting themselves.

However, unicycling is what Tom and I do for a living, (shameless plug for our business: www.uniquecircuspromotions.com) we have been riding for 11 years and 7 years respectively and are extremely capable. We don't fall off and damage ourselves or anything around us unless were trying something particularly ludicrous and if you actually watch the video you can see that the nature of the terrain we ride in Agen Allwedd is relatively tame. I would go as far as to say it poses no greater risk to the rider than walking (provided you can ride to a decent standard- which we can), its just a shame we didn't have sufficient lights to show just how massive and awesome some of that passageway is!

I can clarify that absolutely no damage has been done to any of the caves we visited, conservation was of paramount importance to us as we knew this video would be scrutinised. We even included a short section on cave conservation at the request of a CSS member but unfortunately the lighting wasnt great and it didnt make the final cut.

If anyone has any further concerns I'd ask that you PM me and I can respond appropriately.

Finally, I cant help but feel it is a shame that this video which promotes caving and has been viewed 1000's of times, is the focus of hostility on here. All jokes aside, this was only ever meant to be a bit of fun and the overwhelming majority of feedback we've received from both inside and outside the caving community has been positive.

Steffan
 

Rob

Well-known member
Steffan, good to see your thought through and passive response.

As a newcomer to the forum please can I encourage you to expect criticism for basically everything different that appears on here, and not to be too disheartened by it. This is a very popular forum with 1000s of members and life would be boring if everyone agreed on everything. Expect some bad eggs?

It is easy to concentrate on the bad, you?ll see most of the comments have been positive so far.

I personally was impressed with the film, especially the footage quality, and would encourage more ?different? angles for caving. It was only a few weeks ago that one of the first wingsuit flights through a cave took place! Crazy to think what ?caving? could be in associated with 10 years? time?!

If not already, I would suggest this to be entered into Hidden Earth video salon?
 

ptpeaty

Member
Not happy seeing our caves used in this way. Unicycling should be taken elsewhere and not underground and especially not in a cave forming part of a national nature reserve. The caves you've chosen to use here are not a '....big underground playground ...and assault course' as you put it in your video. They are sensitive eco systems demanding greater respect than that shown here.
 

Subpopulus Hibernia

Active member
ptpeaty said:
Not happy seeing our caves used in this way. Unicycling should be taken elsewhere and not underground and especially not in a cave forming part of a national nature reserve. The caves you've chosen to use here are not a '....big underground playground ...and assault course' as you put it in your video. They are sensitive eco systems demanding greater respect than that shown here.

Your point is only valid if you can prove that unicycling is somehow more damaging than walking through caves. I would imagine that many cave activities are far more damaging than carrying a unicycle down a cave and cycling it about. Think of carrying scaff, diving gear, bulky bags all scraping off the walls and polishing the floor. Digging - surely the most damaging and cave altering activity that goes on underground - is mostly carried out without comment.

Ultimately, unicycling in caves is a particularly fringe activity within an already fringe activity, one that doesn't appear to have a particularly disproportionate impact on caves and hence and not a serious threat to cave systems.
 

LizW1985

New member
Carrying a metal unicycle through small passages is defo going to do damage  :( Perhaps if the lads in the video want to show off their skills they should enter Britain's got talent! 
 

Subpopulus Hibernia

Active member
LizW1985 said:
Carrying a metal unicycle through small passages is defo going to do damage 

But so is carrying diving cylinders, or scaff or other digging equipment. If you stop people from unicycling in caves then should you stop these activities also? Or is one activity more valid than another?

To be honest I don't see what all the fuss is about. While their activities are certainly a bit eccentric I don't think that anyone has demonstrated that unicycling in caves is particularly damaging, or any more damaging than other activities that go on underground.
 

LizW1985

New member
Yea I would say digging, the use of sscaffolding and diving are more valid. For the reasons that its exploratory and things like scaffolding is essential for progress and safety. 
 

graham

New member
LizW1985 said:
Yea I would say digging, the use of sscaffolding and diving are more valid. For the reasons that its exploratory and things like scaffolding is essential for progress and safety.

But are things like scaff essential? I wonder. They are useful, yes, but in the long term would it not be better to use the rock that is to hand to build walls, stabilised with cement if necessary. Willie Stanton did this in Reservoir Hole, digging both down through boulder chokes and up through chokes as well. I don't doubt that it takes a lot longer, but I suspect that his work will last much, much longer than the lifetime of some dodgy mild steel scaff clips.
 

cap n chris

Well-known member
ptpeaty said:
Not happy seeing our caves used in this way.

Please explain how UK caves in private ownership are now apparently owned by a self-defined general throng of cavers. The use of the word "our" is WAY out of order, surely?
 

Fulk

Well-known member
Nit-picking, huh? If someone talks about 'our wildlife' for example, they're not trying to establish ownership of all the birds and the bees and the flowers and the trees.
 

cap n chris

Well-known member
Far better to just say "Not happy seeing caves used in this way".

Personally I think the film shows flair, motivation, enjoyment, imagination, fun and is another nice example of leisure/sports caving with a twist and I'm happy seeing caves used in this way with all the usual caveats re: conservation etc..

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
 

Peter Burgess

New member
Quite right, Chris. God forbid that anyone should actually try to enjoy themselves underground! Provided no real damage is being done, what on earth is the problem? I can't see this curious combination of pleasures taking off, so just enjoy the one-off experience presented in the video and move on.
 

cap n chris

Well-known member
It reminds me of the Extreme Ironing days of yore, except that this newer example actually requires the participants to have acquired a skill and FAR greater level of personal fitness; which in this day and age is commendable to the max.
 
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