cap n chris
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2xw said:..not having those qualities will exclude you naturally.
It's elitist, then. Which is what I said/wrote.
2xw said:..not having those qualities will exclude you naturally.
NewStuff said:How long before it devolves into, as it used to be in some places, "you can only come if you're in our club/my mate/a mason/know this handshake".
2xw said:Are you being disingenuous or are you just thick?
By definition caving is elitist, surely? It requires attributes that many people lack, even assuming they had any interest in it in the first place, and lived nearby the correct geology etc.. Where the actual did the notion of it being "an inclusive place" come from? Long may it contunue to be the case that caving and caves are exclusive places, with sufficient hurdles and challenges involved that only those with a dedicated mindset can raise their game to overcome.
Cap'n Chris said:2xw said:..not having those qualities will exclude you naturally.
It's elitist, then. Which is what I said/wrote.
Cap'n Chris said:FWIW my livelihood is based upon making it accessible but it is most definitely not at all helpful for caving to be considered an "inclusive" environment.
2xw said:Are you being disingenuous or are you just thick?
NewStuff said:Or you're just thick, as alluded to beforehand.
NewStuff said:Cap'n Chris said:FWIW my livelihood is based upon making it accessible but it is most definitely not at all helpful for caving to be considered an "inclusive" environment.
You want to stuff your bottom line up? You have at it. You may not want caving to be inclusive, but I don't think you actually have a clue what it means. We know you *think* you know what it means, but your replies indicate you don't. Or you're just thick, as alluded to beforehand.
menacer said:Is someone really going to be put of from standing for a position based on the ending of a title?
kay said:In this age, when most large organisations have moved away from terms like ?chairman?, continuing to use it is a *huge red flag*, of an organisation that is so used to things being run by men that it may not have occurred to them that women may have anything to contribute.
droid said:I get the idea that the 'fix' might be trivial but the amount of faff to get it done...isn't.
That's the controversy.
droid said:So the need for a ballot on a word that's merely a descriptor isn't a faff?