who did giants/oxlow connection first?

[Chocolate fireguard]

I think the foot and mouth crisis was about 1966.

 

[Pitlamp]

"Old man" Watson was George iirc.  He was the one who got Joe Revell to work on Giant's.

As for the first throught the connection I'm fairly sure Westy,  the Gills, Henry Mares, Geoff Dobson would have been there or thereabouts.  It must be in the Eldon records somewhere.

Sorry to dissillusion you but there was no George, Tom was the first Watson, bought it from the Devonshire estate when they got hammered for death duties in the '1950's(ish). Same time as Ritters bought P8, Gautries etc.

I do admit that he  co-opted the help of Bill (?) Revell (Bagshaw Cavern) to try to turn it into  a show cave during  the  1970's  foot and mouth  crisis, but  planning law prevented it.

I thought the issue which really killed it was the inability to get permission for car parking. (This is only what I've been told by folk who were around at the time.)

Wasn't hoof & gob 1967? I'm too young to remember it personally of course.  :

 

[graham]

The big hoof & gob outbreak was in October 1967. there had been other outbreaks over teh previous few years but not another until 2001

 

[bograt]

O.K., 1967,  I only did the Backwash bailing trip once before it dissappeared, and I was very young at the time 

Re; the link up, the name Henry Mayers does ring a bell, was George Cooper also involved?

Planning permission was turned down by the Highways department, something to do with increased traffic on the Eldon Quarry road, if he'd gone for access from the Rushup side, he might have been more successful.

 

[bograt]

A bit of cross-referencing from old copies of COD leads to an article written by Clive Westlake in 1971, Eldon PC journal vol 8 no.1, listed under both Giants and Oxlow, this is likely to be the original report, sorry, don't have a copy.

 

[Allan]

Eldon Pothole Club Journal Vol 7 No 1 1966
(the year is inferred from the date of the Journal, it is not given in the article)
22nd May 1966
Henry Mares, Bernard Parkin, Ron Bridger and Paul Deakin

 

[Mrs Trellis]

Good names from the past. Anyone knows how Paul Deakin is at the moment? I haven't seen him for a few years.

Bograt you are correct with the forenames of Messrs Watson & Revell. My apologies.

 

[steviet_scg]

This thread shows that someone should definitely write a spelo-history of the Castleton Karst. I had it down as a retirement project but by the time I get there (at this rate in any case!) even more of the stories will be forgotten.

 

[al]

Iain Barker's little guide book "Classic Caves of the Peak District" makes very interesting reading because it includes historical notes as well as descriptions. P137 backs up what has been said on this thread - but it would be good to read a really detailed account.

 

[Allan]

The account in the Eldon Journal is quite detailed, about 2.5 pages and is well worth reading.  I don't know whether or not the Eldon have digitized their Newsletters, but perhaps someone could make at least this section available.

 

[Goydenman]

Good names from the past. Anyone knows how Paul Deakin is at the moment? I haven't seen him for a few years.

Bograt you are correct with the forenames of Messrs Watson & Revell. My apologies.

Is was a couple of years ago but I bought two photos off him of Fox chamber Winnats Head and he was fine then - good to talk to him. Lost his details now.

 

[mr conners]

Thanks for all the info. Its good to know some of the history behind the exploration.
If somone could post up some old articles it would be much appreciated.

 

[SamT]

Eldon - organised (bothered) enough to digitise their publications



(any volunteers ???  :blink: )

 

[AR]

Good names from the past. Anyone knows how Paul Deakin is at the moment? I haven't seen him for a few years.

He was at the NAMHO conference this year and seemed OK when I had a quick chat with him, though he isn't getting underground as much as he used to.

 

[pwhole]

Eldon - organised (bothered) enough to digitise their publications



(any volunteers ???  :blink: )

Would love to help Sam, but too busy digitizing all of ours! Getting there slowly

 

[graham]

Eldon - organised (bothered) enough to digitise their publications



(any volunteers ???  :blink: )

Would love to help Sam, but too busy digitizing all of ours! Getting there slowly

There is an old saying round these parts: if you don't publish it then you didn't do it.

Maybe that needs to spread to digitizing and uploading journals as any publication that now consists only of a few copies laying forgotten in dusty drawers is really no publication at all.

 

[martinm]

There is an old saying round these parts: if you don't publish it then you didn't do it.
Maybe that needs to spread to digitizing and uploading journals as any publication that now consists only of a few copies laying forgotten in dusty drawers is really no publication at all.

But digitizing and uploading to where Graham? We can't assume the club web sites will be around forever. They should be put in the British Caving Library, I guess, but I'm not sure of the format they could deal with. Guess, we need to ask Jenny Potts of DCA as she's one of the people looking after the library. I have several journals of which I've probably got the only copies.  :-\

http://caving-library.org.uk/index.shtml

 

[langcliffe]

But digitizing and uploading to where Graham?

http://www.archives.bcra.org.uk/ ?

 

[graham]

There is an old saying round these parts: if you don't publish it then you didn't do it.
Maybe that needs to spread to digitizing and uploading journals as any publication that now consists only of a few copies laying forgotten in dusty drawers is really no publication at all.

But digitizing and uploading to where Graham? We can't assume the club web sites will be around forever. They should be put in the British Caving Library, I guess, but I'm not sure of the format they could deal with. Guess, we need to ask Jenny Potts of DCA as she's one of the people looking after the library. I have several journals of which I've probably got the only copies.  :-\

http://caving-library.org.uk/index.shtml

We cannot assume that the British Caving Library will be around forever either, but it is a start. In any case putting stuff online tends to guarantee the existence of multiple copies in short order

The obvious format is pdf/a which is internationally recognised for archiving purposes and therefore should remain machine readable for a long time to come.

 

[martinm]

But digitizing and uploading to where Graham?

http://www.archives.bcra.org.uk/ ?

Cool, thanx. Now bookmarked. Will make an enquiry shortly when I get time. 

Guess it will involve me scanning everything then zipping up the images or putting them into pdf files...