Who owns ukcaving.com?
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cap n chris
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I can't hide anything from you lot :-[
Peter Burgess
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NOT EVEN YOUR FAVOURITE COLOUR!
bubba
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graham said:
There aren't any on this site
He was talking about other sites he'd used. There are sites that use very discrete advertising, it's just not really what I want to do.
Donations have been successful and the next way to raise a bit of cash (obviously I'm trying to become a .com billionaire here) is to make some ukcaving t-shirts/beanies or something like that.
M
MSD
Guest
I wasn't aware that Dragon had closed down. Have they closed both the manufacturing and retail sides? Anybody know the background? Just falling numbers of cavers?
Still, it is a bit sad. I have had several dealings with Dragon over the years and found them very helpful. Maybe I can buy some tooling cheap to make my tackle sacks
Mark
Still, it is a bit sad. I have had several dealings with Dragon over the years and found them very helpful. Maybe I can buy some tooling cheap to make my tackle sacks
Mark
dave_the_cave
Member
if so ..
Do you always shoot newbies who ask serious questions that you do not like?
I came with some hopes or presumptions about the forum.
I thought a forum has some possible governance role. But it is probably not the place for serious questions. Uptodate information on caves -- maybe. I did get a lot of information about the forum. Sorry for not replying to those who gave serious replies. How can you reply to several replies at once.
Well after Chris's read/write comment I decided that all his replies had an edge to them and I wondered about his motives.
I guessed who he was .. as he had left a electronic trail
advertising his presence on every caving page there is..
I was saddened, amused and disappointed..but not certain I was right about who he was.
Chris's motives are easily questioned, but more than survive scrutiny.
In fact he has helped me personally in the past, so I was saddened
to discover his bar-room bully persona on this thread.
Chris blurs the distinction between his work and hobbies, and clearly has no concern about financial interest. I have other biases.
The current model for the forum is wrong because one person should not to foot the bill out of their own pocket and do the work. What happens when he no longer hosts the site for some reason. Secondly there is room for only one forum and the community has no say or control over it.
I guess it is inconceivable that parliament be privatised but okay that pubs are.
Professional cavers -- well I have always liked mendips first professional and appreciated his efforts over the years. I never thought his charm would be surpassed.
Amused .. hmm it was Chris who recommended this forum to me.
Do you always shoot newbies who ask serious questions that you do not like?
I came with some hopes or presumptions about the forum.
I thought a forum has some possible governance role. But it is probably not the place for serious questions. Uptodate information on caves -- maybe. I did get a lot of information about the forum. Sorry for not replying to those who gave serious replies. How can you reply to several replies at once.
Well after Chris's read/write comment I decided that all his replies had an edge to them and I wondered about his motives.
I guessed who he was .. as he had left a electronic trail
advertising his presence on every caving page there is..
I was saddened, amused and disappointed..but not certain I was right about who he was.
Chris's motives are easily questioned, but more than survive scrutiny.
In fact he has helped me personally in the past, so I was saddened
to discover his bar-room bully persona on this thread.
Chris blurs the distinction between his work and hobbies, and clearly has no concern about financial interest. I have other biases.
The current model for the forum is wrong because one person should not to foot the bill out of their own pocket and do the work. What happens when he no longer hosts the site for some reason. Secondly there is room for only one forum and the community has no say or control over it.
I guess it is inconceivable that parliament be privatised but okay that pubs are.
Professional cavers -- well I have always liked mendips first professional and appreciated his efforts over the years. I never thought his charm would be surpassed.
Amused .. hmm it was Chris who recommended this forum to me.
Peter Burgess
New member
So Dave, I guess you won't be hanging around these parts for long? Too frivolous for you, are we? Well, this forum is what you want it to be. You ask a serious question, openly and honestly, and you'll get a serious reply. Post what has now turned out to be some questionable observations about one individual, and you can expect to be offered no sympathy. Respect others, and they will reciprocate.
bubba
Administrator
Well how about you do it better then? Set up your community based forum that everyone pays for and develops. Good luck!dave_the_cave said:
I've always said that if that happens, the database will be available for somebody else to take over. Ok, if I was run over and killed tomorrow there would be problems but unfortunately there are some risks in everything.dave_the_cave said:
Like I say, go ahead and set up your own forum if you want it done differently.dave_the_cave said:
I set up this forum, and the community came to it and used it - that *is* the community having a say in it. If nobody like this site or the way it was run then they would go elsewhere.
I can't believe you're not just trolling or something - you seem to have some really strange views about the reality of the internet and how forums are run.
Peter Burgess
New member
Party-pooper is the term that comes to mind.
Bubba has invited anyone to join the party. He paid for the goodies, and some of us brought a bottle to help out.
There are far more serious problems to concern us than how this forum is managed.
Bubba has invited anyone to join the party. He paid for the goodies, and some of us brought a bottle to help out.
There are far more serious problems to concern us than how this forum is managed.
cap n chris
Well-known member
Do you always shoot newbies who ask serious questions that you do not like?
I don't recall shooting anyone
I came with some hopes or presumptions about the forum.
... and what were they?...
I thought a forum has some possible governance role. But it is probably not the place for serious questions. Uptodate information on caves -- maybe. I did get a lot of information about the forum. Sorry for not replying to those who gave serious replies. How can you reply to several replies at once.
governance role? - how's that going to work? who governs the governors?
Serious questions? - why on earth not? - although it helps if you state that they are serious to begin with and then you're less likely to receive a jolly reply.
Well after Chris's read/write comment I decided that all his replies had an edge to them and I wondered about his motives.
I guessed who he was .. as he had left a electronic trail
advertising his presence on every caving page there is..
my motives are to have an entertaining and enjoyable life; as for advertising my presence on every caving page there is - this is news to me and if it has happened it has happened by accident without me being aware of it! - which caving page(s)? - I don't remember creating any adverts although I obviously have a website (which BTW I've never made known on this forum since I'm not trawling for work here)
Chris's motives are easily questioned, but more than survive scrutiny.
In fact he has helped me personally in the past, so I was saddened
to discover his bar-room bully persona on this thread.
any particular examples of me being a bully?... the cap doesn't fit AFAIAC
Chris blurs the distinction between his work and hobbies, and clearly has no concern about financial interest. I have other biases.
Eh?!
The current model for the forum is wrong because one person should not to foot the bill out of their own pocket and do the work. What happens when he no longer hosts the site for some reason. Secondly there is room for only one forum and the community has no say or control over it.
Dave, wouldn't you prefer to be known as Loretta?
I guess it is inconceivable that parliament be privatised but okay that pubs are.
Professional cavers -- well I have always liked mendips first professional and appreciated his efforts over the years. I never thought his charm would be surpassed.
Amused .. hmm it was Chris who recommended this forum to me.
Meaning what, precisely?...
It's always the same, isn't it? If you do something for pleasure in your own time, at your own effort and expense BUT also occasionally get paid for it then somehow that's a bad thing. God forbid that teachers actually enjoy their work - that should be made illegal.
I don't recall shooting anyone
I came with some hopes or presumptions about the forum.
... and what were they?...
I thought a forum has some possible governance role. But it is probably not the place for serious questions. Uptodate information on caves -- maybe. I did get a lot of information about the forum. Sorry for not replying to those who gave serious replies. How can you reply to several replies at once.
governance role? - how's that going to work? who governs the governors?
Serious questions? - why on earth not? - although it helps if you state that they are serious to begin with and then you're less likely to receive a jolly reply.
Well after Chris's read/write comment I decided that all his replies had an edge to them and I wondered about his motives.
I guessed who he was .. as he had left a electronic trail
advertising his presence on every caving page there is..
my motives are to have an entertaining and enjoyable life; as for advertising my presence on every caving page there is - this is news to me and if it has happened it has happened by accident without me being aware of it! - which caving page(s)? - I don't remember creating any adverts although I obviously have a website (which BTW I've never made known on this forum since I'm not trawling for work here)
Chris's motives are easily questioned, but more than survive scrutiny.
In fact he has helped me personally in the past, so I was saddened
to discover his bar-room bully persona on this thread.
any particular examples of me being a bully?... the cap doesn't fit AFAIAC
Chris blurs the distinction between his work and hobbies, and clearly has no concern about financial interest. I have other biases.
Eh?!
The current model for the forum is wrong because one person should not to foot the bill out of their own pocket and do the work. What happens when he no longer hosts the site for some reason. Secondly there is room for only one forum and the community has no say or control over it.
Dave, wouldn't you prefer to be known as Loretta?
I guess it is inconceivable that parliament be privatised but okay that pubs are.
Professional cavers -- well I have always liked mendips first professional and appreciated his efforts over the years. I never thought his charm would be surpassed.
Amused .. hmm it was Chris who recommended this forum to me.
Meaning what, precisely?...
It's always the same, isn't it? If you do something for pleasure in your own time, at your own effort and expense BUT also occasionally get paid for it then somehow that's a bad thing. God forbid that teachers actually enjoy their work - that should be made illegal.
Peter Burgess
New member
Bubba:
Your white hand avatar:
Is that
a) a helpful hand (offering a service)
or
b) a begging hand (out to make a killing)
Whichever, it clearly has a hidden message - people might get the wrong idea!
Your white hand avatar:
Is that
a) a helpful hand (offering a service)
or
b) a begging hand (out to make a killing)
Whichever, it clearly has a hidden message - people might get the wrong idea!
Peter Burgess
New member
I would love to have a caving-related occupation. I really cannot see why anyone should complain. For goodness sake, how many people earn a living playing football? Nobody forces me to go and watch them doing it.
jasonbirder
Member
I've never found this forum to be anything less than helpful or welcoming...in fact without it I would never have started caving...as I made contact with my now caving club through it!
Why? Its just a collection of people - some who know each other some who don't who chat...sometimes about caving...sometimes serious...sometimes not...Its not trying to be some kind of authority...far from it!
It can be a placce for serious questions about caves and caving...but not really for a discussion on internet ownership and ethics...
Mmmm...no offence but what on earth would make someone register at a forum then spend their time tracking someone down like some kind of internet private investigator? Why on earth is it that important to you...
Well lucky Chris if he does manage to combine his work with something he enjoys and is passionate about - there is no financial motive behind his posting here - why would there be - most people go caving off their own bat - and Chris has always been keen to encourage and inform people about Mendip caving so they can enjoy it on their own.
Well obviously the people who post here and read it ever day don't think so do they...
Fair play to Bubba for seeeting up and running the forum - top man! When he said he could do with a hand covering the costs plenty of people where more than happy to chip in...which I guess shows how highly regarded he and his forum is by those of us that use it regularly.
The forum is the community of its users...everything thats said here comes from us its users...how much control do we need if we can say (within the boundries of good taste lol!) anything we want!
M
MSD
Guest
Blimey. I am actually pissed off. That doesn't happen very often to me on the web as I try never to take anything too seriously in cyber-space.
The whole tone of the start of the thread (and it's continuation by the person that started it) are at least suggestive of some kind of hidden agenda on the part of the forum owner. I don't like that. Those of us who have contributed to the forum for any length of time know that Bubba has been very open about the way it has been run and I think I can speak for the majority when I say that we trust Bubba. Who the hell does a newbie think he is to come blundering in, shooting from the hip (and missing by a long mile, might I add).
The discussion has gone downhill into a personal attack on one of the forum contributors, Cap'n Chris. Chris has never made a secret about his commercial interests, so there is no conflict of interest. I agree Chris has a big personality, so do many cavers. When I don't agree with him (and I feel it's an important matter) I say so. He doesn't intimidate me. If he intimidates you Dave, I think you have a major inferiority complex and should leave now as you are likely to find the rest of us a pretty unpleasant, argumentative bunch.
The idea that an "official" site might be more democratic is so laughable, it's unbelievable. Anybody with any knowledge of caving politics over the last years, decades, century.... will know that caving is not run as a democracy. Caving is largely a grass roots activity. The national bodies etc. are run by a small bunch of people who are in those positions because they care enough to get off their arse and do something. However, they don't really have much of a democratic mandate, mainly because most cavers don't take sufficient interest to want to take part in properly organised elections.
Get a life Dave. Stop seeing big brother behind every corner.
Mark
The whole tone of the start of the thread (and it's continuation by the person that started it) are at least suggestive of some kind of hidden agenda on the part of the forum owner. I don't like that. Those of us who have contributed to the forum for any length of time know that Bubba has been very open about the way it has been run and I think I can speak for the majority when I say that we trust Bubba. Who the hell does a newbie think he is to come blundering in, shooting from the hip (and missing by a long mile, might I add).
The discussion has gone downhill into a personal attack on one of the forum contributors, Cap'n Chris. Chris has never made a secret about his commercial interests, so there is no conflict of interest. I agree Chris has a big personality, so do many cavers. When I don't agree with him (and I feel it's an important matter) I say so. He doesn't intimidate me. If he intimidates you Dave, I think you have a major inferiority complex and should leave now as you are likely to find the rest of us a pretty unpleasant, argumentative bunch.
The idea that an "official" site might be more democratic is so laughable, it's unbelievable. Anybody with any knowledge of caving politics over the last years, decades, century.... will know that caving is not run as a democracy. Caving is largely a grass roots activity. The national bodies etc. are run by a small bunch of people who are in those positions because they care enough to get off their arse and do something. However, they don't really have much of a democratic mandate, mainly because most cavers don't take sufficient interest to want to take part in properly organised elections.
Get a life Dave. Stop seeing big brother behind every corner.
Mark
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