cap n chris
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... why not just try the new fashion?.... caving without any hair at all! (oh, apart from little curly bits here and there).
paul said:Nope - it was Dido's Cave in Matlock Bath.
cap 'n chris said:Fart and wait.
MSD said:I would work on the "what went in must go out" principle. i.e. the guy behind must be able to go backwards, even if he is whining that he can't. If necessary I would apply the full force of my wellingtons on his shoulders. That would presumably provide some help and encouragement!
Mark
The beauty of dry caving is that time is usually not a factor as in most cases there is no problem breathing. Every time I've ever been stuck (and I'm a big lad) I've learnt the best is to relax and catch my breath which normally helps. In diving we learn to "stop, breath, think, act". Focusing on breathing usually relaxes the body and helps problem solving. This is particularly true in squeezes. The one time I got stuck in a verticle squeeze the worst that happened was Andy got drenched with water from my wellies ;-(.Roger W said:OK, I know you real hard guys (the ones with the beards?) don't know the meaning of the word "PANIC!" But what do the rest of you suggest when things start to look grim and you feel yourself starting to tense up...?
Good point ... this is the exception that proves the rule ... typically divers don't let the regs fall out.caverholic said:Sorry to point out the obvious but how do you "stop breath think" when you reg falls out of your mouth :roll:
But it is true this works in most situations.
That certainly helps.MSD said:I was imagining discussing with the person behind first before applying force! Bascially I was thinking the same as Roger, that when someone is stuck in a squeeze, it's often useful to have something solid to push against. If some locomotive force is applied, the person can concentrate purely on manipulating their body to fit through the tight bit. As soon as you start struggling, your muscles expand, making you bigger and the task of fitting through harder.
Mark
peterdevlin said:Good point ... this is the exception that proves the rule ... typically divers don't let the regs fall out.
Duncan Price said:Peter - I guess I'll never be able to live down the fact that I was a major contributory factor in you having a moment in Linley Caverns. Sorry.
peterdevlin said:The one time I got stuck in a verticle squeeze the worst that happened was Andy got drenched with water from my wellies ;-(.
andymorgan said:This was a very bad experience for me: my life flashed before me!!! Pooee. Would have been worse if you came unstuck and fell on to me though :wink:
paul said:kay said:OK - so which was the incident featured on 999, then? - it was definitely scouts, it was definitely a 'small' duck as opposed to being sent repeatedly down a flooded passage.
It was Dido's. I saw a recording of the program last year shown by somebody who was there.