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CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« on: February 04, 2018, 09:09:42 am »
It has come to my attention that the old electron ladder in the Icecream Trail in Rowter Hole has finally given up the ghost and partially snapped. Firstly, please be aware if planning a trip that this is now an extremely dangerous hazard and the lack of ladder will make exiting much, much harder.
Secondly I believe the ladder may have been left in place- obviously it needs removing and scrapping immediately so if anyone can do a trip down there to get it back straight away please speak up! (I can’t).
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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2018, 10:48:59 am »
SUSS to the rescue, they will bring it out today.

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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2018, 08:13:18 pm »
wot length  electron Mark ?I have possible replacement, not often used. can donate.OG
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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2018, 08:34:23 pm »
Isn't it possible to rig it with something less perishable than an electron ladder? If one's snapped, surely another also will? A couple of stainless Via Ferrata staples resined in to the wall at the right spot perhaps? We've got some 8mm 7 X 7 strand 316 stainless cable too, if that can be fashioned into 'something'.

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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2018, 10:53:46 pm »
SUSS COULDNT REMOVE THE LADDER due to rusted maillon so it’s still there. Anyone else heading down please say so.

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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2018, 09:45:14 am »
Isn't it possible to rig it with something less perishable than an electron ladder? If one's snapped, surely another also will? A couple of stainless Via Ferrata staples resined in to the wall at the right spot perhaps? We've got some 8mm 7 X 7 strand 316 stainless cable too, if that can be fashioned into 'something'.

Sounds a good idea does that Phil, those ladders are horrendous to use. I take my hat off to people who find them easy!

@Mark we have a chap in our club who has all the gear to repair electrons?

I would consider recovering as well so whoever does update this thread :-)
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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2018, 10:11:11 am »
SUSS COULDNT REMOVE THE LADDER due to rusted maillon so it’s still there. Anyone else heading down please say so.

Just thought to ask Mark, is it the second or first ladder?
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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2018, 10:39:09 pm »
It’s the second (10m) ladder. The first short one was replaced with cord a long time ago.

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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2018, 11:54:41 am »
It’s the second (10m) ladder. The first short one was replaced with cord a long time ago.
With you suggesting it's the second ladder mark I will need a willing volunteers shoulder to stand on LOL

Anyway, if anyone is prepared to realise Phil's idea above I am prepared to help lug gear down and back and help out  :thumbsup:
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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2018, 04:10:45 pm »
These are what I mean - we've already installed some in one site as an alternative to ropes or ladders (it's doable as a free-climb, but much safer done like this), and will be fitting the rest soon. You'd probably only need one on each wall as I remember from my single visit!

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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2018, 04:44:03 pm »
We installed some stainless steps in Notts Pot and I have some extra ones in my loft.

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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2018, 07:40:04 pm »
The ladder has been flipped, the bottom is now the top.

It's been fixed (temporarily)

Thanks mark, mark, mark, tom, and the badgers for a great trip.


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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2019, 08:08:13 am »
Mark and I finally removed the offending ladder on Sunday. We have not left anything in its place but the accompanying hand-line remains. There are no immediate plans to install any additional fixed aids.

For those very familiar with the drop, it is feasible to free-climb it with care, but a ladder (or belay) would seem sensible for anyone unfamiliar with it or with novices in the group. Sustaining any significant injury at that point would be seriously problematic.

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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2019, 11:11:11 am »
So when will the via ferrata staples be put in?  ;)
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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2019, 09:50:53 am »
So when will the via ferrata staples be put in?  ;)

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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2019, 10:38:09 am »
So when will the via ferrata staples be put in?  ;)

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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2019, 12:32:46 pm »
So when will the via ferrata staples be put in?  ;)

All materials and labor in Derbyshire has been diverted to Longcliffe pending the installation of a Stanna stairlift

We will need a bigger helicopter to get that up there!

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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2019, 12:53:58 pm »
Just need a proximity sensor for the gate to open on arrival and boot up a sound system for a fanfare.
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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2019, 01:10:14 pm »
Just need a proximity sensor for the gate to open on arrival and boot up a sound system for a fanfare.

FFS dont give Phill and Scott any more ideas!

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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2019, 02:05:15 pm »
Just need a proximity sensor for the gate to open on arrival and boot up a sound system for a fanfare.

Proximity sensor with RFID that's implanted in all TSG members so only you guys can get down there?  :-\ :-\ :-\
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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2019, 03:22:34 pm »
Nah, any visitors to the hut will have the matrix style bug implanted. (The one in the first matrix that crawls around the skin)
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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2019, 03:44:01 pm »
Nah, any visitors to the hut will have the matrix style bug implanted. (The one in the first matrix that crawls around the skin)

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Re: CAUTION!... and help needed in Rowter Hole
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2019, 09:42:52 pm »
I'm watching my bank of IR camera monitors now... :coffee: