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Metal Steps KMC
- Thread starter Balmerfish
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Balmerfish
Member
Hi Ian, Not 100% sure of proper name. They were about the main stream way - there are already bolts up there.
Simon Beck
Member
They are god awful! No two guesses who installed them!
Balmerfish
Member
Hi Paul,
i wondered that too, it was an area that there seemed to be plenty foot holds, and place for rope to be riggeed - so i wasnt sure.
i wondered that too, it was an area that there seemed to be plenty foot holds, and place for rope to be riggeed - so i wasnt sure.
Simon Beck
Member
Why now after almost half a century managing without?
Regardless of the good work they do I've never felt they have any right to adapt the caves to their needs, adapting themselves should remain paramount.
Regardless of the good work they do I've never felt they have any right to adapt the caves to their needs, adapting themselves should remain paramount.
Cave_Troll
Active member
underground via ferrata ?
aricooperdavis
Moderator
Could someone take pity on me - is KMC the Kingsdale Master Cave? 
Cave_Troll
Active member
why ? - because someone thinks they're needed or useful
you presumably don't
in the same way that most people think P Bolts are useful and others don't
you presumably don't
in the same way that most people think P Bolts are useful and others don't
MJenkinson
Active member
Ed said:
I think there?s a slight difference between exploration / digging and rigging aids in a well travelled cave.
Simon Beck
Member
Under the differing circumstances we operate, no two cavers will ever agree on everything, and I wouldn't expect them too.
This mind you is a pretty radical upgrade to a system that worked perfectly fine before as it was. I maybe jumped the gun accusing the obvious rescue team. But whoever it was needs to come forward and explain.
This mind you is a pretty radical upgrade to a system that worked perfectly fine before as it was. I maybe jumped the gun accusing the obvious rescue team. But whoever it was needs to come forward and explain.
grinding_joints
New member
As a member of the 'obvious recue team', and a member of the Ops group for said team, I can tell you that any permanent rigging or aids we fit are always done in consultation with CNCC or, above ground, the BMC and other interested parties. These steps have never been discussed or sanctioned by the teams Ops group.
On some rescues, we need to rig extra hangers or bolts, which are then either made good or referred to CNCC to see if they will allow them to remain.
Believe it or not, we do try not to damage the cave environment.
On some rescues, we need to rig extra hangers or bolts, which are then either made good or referred to CNCC to see if they will allow them to remain.
Believe it or not, we do try not to damage the cave environment.
