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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2019, 11:03:40 am »
A 24h smart tariff which uses 100% renewable power is TIDE by www.greenenergyuk.com

Expensive option if you can't choose when things happen, but can be very cheap for things like EV cars  :thumbsup:
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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2019, 11:05:39 am »
I'm avoiding having a smart meter until I absolutely have to.  My primary concern is security due to the granularity of the data collection.  Someone could use the data to work out when you are in or out and break in.  Not that I live in a crime hotspot - the Neighbourhood Watch Alliance do a pretty good job of maintaining The Greater Good.

I was with British Gas a few years ago who were quite aggressive about installing them.  I tried giving them all the reasonable arguments about being an early adopter, problems with switching supplier, data capture etc. to no avail.  They escalated their pressure to having a senior manager call me. Eventually I told them that I had health concerns about the radiofrequency emanations from the kit, didn't have a mobile phone and wore a tinfoil hat all the time.This shut them up - and I blocked their number on my mobile.

In the long run it makes sense, but not yet.  A bit like electric cars.

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2019, 11:56:32 am »
Someone could use the data to work out when you are in or out and break in.

I suspect if you've got a criminal with the skills to break the encryption used to send data between your smart meter and the electricity company then they will be working on something rather less risky and rather more lucrative. And if you're concerned about it being a company employee then they'd be better off knocking on your door in their company uniform to see if you're in - nobody would question them.

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2019, 12:40:54 pm »
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the second generation are common to all suppliers so no reason not to get one as long as it is second generation, your supplier will tell you what they are fitting if you ask.

Is there a list somewhere of Makes /Models that are 2nd generation?
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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2019, 12:58:12 pm »
The protocol is SMET1 and SMET2

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2019, 02:10:19 pm »

In the long run it makes sense, but not yet.  A bit like electric cars.

OT, I know, but maybe the long run has arrived:

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/oct/05/electric-cars-used-deals-prices

(but not for Smart meters)

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2019, 12:31:05 am »
I wonder if they get to say 99.9% coverage, and their meter readers have been made redundant, whether it's worth coming after the remaining  0.1%?

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2019, 09:31:37 am »
From the New Oxford Dictionary of English:
"(of a device) capable of independent and seemingly intelligent action"

I fail to see ANY intelligent action from these devices.

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2019, 04:07:17 pm »
From the New Oxford Dictionary of English:
"(of a device) capable of independent and seemingly intelligent action"

I fail to see ANY intelligent action from these devices.


Would this definition fit "smart" motorways?

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2019, 08:09:06 pm »
Well, the chap came and fitted the Smart Meter last Friday morning as per promise - very friendly and helpful.  Explained it all and said I needn't do any more meter readings as the gas and electricity readings would now all be collected automatically. 

Today I received an email statement from the power company saying my monthly payment will be reduced by £18 per month from 1st. November as I seem to be paying too much and they quote my electricity meter as reading 00000 !!!  (Previously it was reading 28444 or something.)  However, the display unit on the kitchen window ledge is showing electricity being used and you can watch it go bright red when I switch on the kettle.  The power company's email also urges me to continue to read my meters manually, just to keep a check on things.

So, Monday morning I'll be out there to see what the electricity meter really reads - I suspect a duff unit or incorrect installation. 

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2019, 10:48:00 pm »
The new meter has not been used before, it will start from 0.

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2019, 03:54:42 pm »
Yup, I checked this morning and it had clearly started from 00000 on Friday as it's now reading something like 00026. 

I hadn't expected them to install a completely new electricity meter - the gas meter is still the old one and the display unit shows the consumption of both.  However, I'll still be checking the meters manually every month just to be on the safe side.

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2019, 11:05:53 pm »
I burn old data after 7 years like tax returns and what they're based on.  So I've still got a spreadsheet showing my electricity bills, readings whether estimated by them or actual ones read by me, going back to 2012.

My average units per day between bills is remarkably constant - but it goes up a little if I have guests for a while and down a little if I take a long holiday abroad in the winter months.  Well I never.

I've also got copies of all my letters of complaint about electricity bills:  EON 1 letter, NPOWER 4 letters, current supplier SWALEC no letters (so far) at least personally.

Don't start me on the company's electricity bills.  I had 19 pages of them recently from SWALEC ranging in value from 50p up to nearly a grand for the same quarter, all estimates and they had the historic data too going back several years.  As they correct one mistake they introduce more.

At my age I do know the difference between a kettle and a light bulb.  Smart meters are nothing more than an indictment on the latterday teaching of physics in schools unless they mainly are for the electricity supplier's benefit.



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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2019, 03:18:09 pm »
we have gas and electric smart meters. they transmit the readings to supplier. we changed supplier and they still seem to work fine.

the in-house display can show instantaneous usage (kW or m3) and a chart of historical usage with changeable scale from hours to years (kWh or m3).

we are a low-usage household so we used to be overcharged for utilities, now with acurate readings this is better. (i.e. they dont have our money on free loan).

i like seeing what power is being drawn and finding out how much heat the various CH settings use. but this is mostly a novelty as we aim for low usage anyway


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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2019, 04:39:18 pm »
I decided to have one for electric and gas. But there is not enough room in the kitchen cupboard the remove the old gas meter and replace it with the new one. They keep sending engineers to do the replacement. I keep telling them there is not enough room.  In order to have one fitted I will need to rip out part of my kitchen units. 

They had one look at my electric meter and said they would not able able to do it as there was too much stuff in the way and could not get to the cupboard. I assume they meant that they were unable to get past one chair........

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2019, 05:41:36 pm »

They had one look at my electric meter and said they would not able able to do it as there was too much stuff in the way and could not get to the cupboard. I assume they meant that they were unable to get past one chair........

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2019, 10:29:17 pm »
............ I assume they meant that they were unable to get past one chair........


Quite understandable really.........
Not their job to move a chair  ::) .
Not had the training to move a chair  :coffee:.
Haven't got a piece of paper to say that they are competent to move a chair  :read: .
Not insured if they injure themselves or damage the chair if they move it :wall:.   
Probably Poets day, so were never going to do it anyway  :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2019, 02:39:51 pm »
This popped up on AOL today:

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/10/30/energy-customers-warned-against-holding-on-to-a-relic-metersa/

Looks like they might eventually try to intimidate us into having a so called "smart" meter . . . .

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2019, 02:52:54 pm »
This popped up on AOL today:

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/10/30/energy-customers-warned-against-holding-on-to-a-relic-metersa/

Looks like they might eventually try to intimidate us into having a so called "smart" meter . . . .

I don't think that's intimidation, just a fair warning that if you choose to increase the costs of energy for those around you then that cost will be passed on to you.

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2019, 09:06:40 pm »
Strangely, even though our electricity meter is so old that you have to read off dials that go alternately clockwise and anti-clockwise, we have never had the merest suggestion of changing to a more intellectual meter.

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2019, 12:15:09 am »
It's doing meter readers out of a job.  :(
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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2019, 09:54:55 am »
This popped up on AOL today:

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/10/30/energy-customers-warned-against-holding-on-to-a-relic-metersa/

Looks like they might eventually try to intimidate us into having a so called "smart" meter . . . .

I don't think that's intimidation, just a fair warning that if you choose to increase the costs of energy for those around you then that cost will be passed on to you.

How does havine a non-smart meter increase the energy costs for those around you?

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2019, 10:15:29 am »
Smart meters allow the energy companies to better anticipate demand, so that they only turn on power stations when they are actually needed, rather than having lots in reserve because they don't trust know how much energy is being used.

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2019, 10:17:47 am »
The more I hear about so-called ‘smart’ stuff, the more scope there seems to be for the ‘bad guys’ to take it over for their own purposes; I must admit, I don’t see how the bad guys could subvert an energy meter to their own malignant ends, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they found a way.

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Re: Electricity "smart" meters
« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2019, 12:07:09 pm »
There's always potential for bad outcomes with IoT technology (see "smart" Yale locks locking people out their homes) but it's probably worth it.