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Offline Cavebot3000

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Caving abroad in Europe
« on: February 18, 2020, 01:24:15 pm »
Hey everyone,

I'm trying to gather some info about caving regions around Europe to organize an abroad trip this summer with Dublin City University Caving Club.

We went to Vercors in France 3 years ago, thinking we knew what the area had to offer but realized when we got there that we didn't really have a clue. We might consider going back this summer if we can get some good (and modern) resources. The book we used was quite dated and caused us problems.

Any suggestions on other good regions in Europe are also very welcome. I've heard good things about Slovakia, Croatia, Italy, Ardeche and Pyrenees but of course we can go elsewhere. Has anyone run trips to these places before?

We're looking for relatively deep and extensive caves if that helps! Enough caving for about 10 days.

Thanks in advance :)

Offline Ian Ball

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Re: Caving abroad in Europe
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2020, 01:49:03 pm »
That seems quite a large topic and I've not been caving abroad but some sites that might interest you.

Réseau de la Dent de Crolles, Chartreuse (Braemoor)

Speleo Vercors (club site)

SC Avalon - 25 trips in Belgium





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Re: Caving abroad in Europe
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2020, 02:23:01 pm »
France

- Doubs / vercors / Causes ==> sportive caving with lots of SRT. Especially in the vercors and Causes you find deep caves 
- Aude / Herault ==> beautiful caves with lots of aragonite. But you need to get in contact with local clubs to get permits
- PSM ==> deep and cold.  More info on the arsip website  (http://arsip.fr/) . You can get permits for several (through) trips
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Re: Caving abroad in Europe
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2020, 02:24:28 pm »
I can strongly recommend Chartreuse, in particularly the Réseau de la Dent de Crolles mentioned above. It's in a beautiful area, with some
fantastic holiday caving of all grades. In particular, this 60+ km system has a number of long pull-through trips equipped with traverse lines and chain belays.

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Re: Caving abroad in Europe
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2020, 03:04:12 pm »
France

- Doubs / vercors / Causes ==> sportive caving with lots of SRT. Especially in the vercors and Causes you find deep caves 
- Aude / Herault ==> beautiful caves with lots of aragonite. But you need to get in contact with local clubs to get permits
- PSM ==> deep and cold.  More info on the arsip website  (http://arsip.fr/) . You can get permits for several (through) trips

Some excellent rigging info for caves in the doubs can be found here https://www.speleo-doubs.com/infosPratiques/brochage.php

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Re: Caving abroad in Europe
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2020, 09:35:11 pm »
Would add my 2c to those suggesting

 - Dent de Crolles (Chartreuse): A variety of trips to cover most abilities, from nice pull through trips, to shorter trips in muiltiple entrances. good surveys.
 - Pierre St Martin (Pyrenees): deep, and a serious undertaking.
 - Reseau Felix Trombe/Coume Ouarnède  (Pyrenees):  Multiple entrances providing a variety of day trips, again easy enough to find something for most abilities. The pull through trip is long, wet, and requires careful route finding, and pre-rigging at both ends.

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Re: Caving abroad in Europe
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2020, 10:46:39 pm »
Dent de Crolles (Chartreuse): A variety of trips to cover most abilities, from nice pull through trips, to shorter trips in muiltiple entrances. good surveys.

One of the pull-through trips includes the descent of a permanently rigged 145 m shaft. The route is used for commercial caving.

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Re: Caving abroad in Europe
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2020, 08:04:50 am »
Another great trip is the Verneau through trip.

The following clip gives a good idea of the the trip :

a trip write-up in English : http://www.rrcpc.org.uk/newsletters/NL_V38_N4_A5.htm

A french article from spelunca : http://www.csr-bfc.fr/rc_images/Verneau%20SPELUNCA%20148_def.pdf

For this trip you also need to ask a permit, all information can be found in the following document :

 http://www.speleo-doubs.com/actualite/fichier/dossier_verneau_2015_CDS25.pdf
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Re: Caving abroad in Europe
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2020, 09:31:19 am »
One of the pull-through trips includes the descent of a permanently rigged 145 m shaft. The route is used for commercial caving.
Nice! That's a more recent discovery than my last trip there (far too long ago! 2001?) I've only done the usual trade routes (Glaz->Guiers, P40->Glaz, Glaz->Chevalier).

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Re: Caving abroad in Europe
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2020, 05:08:41 pm »
One of the pull-through trips includes the descent of a permanently rigged 145 m shaft. The route is used for commercial caving.
Nice! That's a more recent discovery than my last trip there (far too long ago! 2001?) I've only done the usual trade routes (Glaz->Guiers, P40->Glaz, Glaz->Chevalier).

There are eleven entrances now - one of which is only 175 m from and 40 m below the summit that has links through to both Annette / Chevalier, and to the Trou du Glaz which it enters above P36.

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Re: Caving abroad in Europe
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2020, 10:02:12 am »
There are eleven entrances now - one of which is only 175 m from and 40 m below the summit that has links through to both Annette / Chevalier, and to the Trou du Glaz which it enters above P36.

If I were a dentist I'd say the tooth was beyond saving!  ;D

 

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